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   From: JSwaggartMinisteries@hotmail.com   
      
   halleleuya! brother,   
      
   Jimmy   
      
   "bobandcarole"  wrote in message   
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   >   
   > Laurence Taylor wrote:   
   >> Frank McCoy wrote:   
   >>   
   >> >>Haven't you noticed how some people use expressions like "my child" in   
   >> >>exactly the same way as they say "my car"? They are angry that someone   
   >> >>has touched their child for the same reason that they get angry if   
   >> >>someone scratched their car - not because the child could become   
   >> >>confused/psychologically damaged/pregnant/etc, but because they "spent   
   >> >>a lot of money on it and I'll have to get it fixed".   
   >> >>   
   >> >   
   >> > That, of course, is the problem with jealousy in general (as I've   
   >> > pointed out   
   >> > before).  It's the attitude of unreasoning anger at somebody else for   
   >> > "using"   
   >> > their personal, private, and intimate property; somewhat on the order   
   >> > of anger   
   >> > you'd get if somebody deliberately used your personal toothbrush to   
   >> > wipe their   
   >> > asshole with.  When you marry somebody, to many people it's like they   
   >> > were   
   >> > *buying* the other person in the same manner you'd buy a new car.   
   >> > Finding out   
   >> > somebody else has *used* the car, even if only for a few hundred miles,   
   >> > makes it   
   >> > tainted and not nearly worth as much; so you got "cheated".  Same thing   
   >> > with a   
   >> > daughter that you consider your personal property.   
   >>   
   >> Exactly.   
   >>   
   >> >>A lot of parents (my no means all) forget that their children are   
   >> >>people.   
   >> >   
   >> >   
   >> > Well (Playing Devil's Advocate here) that's how *they* were brought up:   
   >> > as   
   >> > property of their own parents.  We're supposed to follow our own   
   >> > parents'   
   >> > examples when raising our own kids ... aren't we?   
   >>   
   >> Hmm .... on the other hand, we're supposed to be intellgent enough to   
   >> look at all the information and work out what is good or bad.   
   >>   
   >> > That logic brings up the spectre of parents whipping their children   
   >> > into   
   >> > submission, because that's how *they* were raised ... Which also brings   
   >> > about   
   >> > the recoil of some people thinking that a child should *never* be   
   >> > physically   
   >> > chastised, no matter how egregious the deliberate damage the child   
   >> > caused.  A   
   >> > child should be *loved*; and while that sometimes means being curbed   
   >> > and given   
   >> > limits that produce punishment if the lines are crossed, it doesn't   
   >> > mean parents   
   >> > should take their frustrations out on kids whenever those same children   
   >> > don't   
   >> > understand or cannot follow the rules because there's a problem with   
   >> > them.   
   >>   
   >> It can be difficult to work out a happy medium.   
   >>   
   >> (I remember we've discussed (pronounced "argued about") corporal   
   >> punishment in the past, so I won't bring it up again here.I think we   
   >> can agree that whatever we think in general, it is possible to go too   
   >> far.   
   >>   
   >> > A narrow line that some people on each side sometimes pretend isn't   
   >> > even there.   
   >> > Punishment and restrictions for a child should really be there to help   
   >> > a child   
   >> > learn and *grow*; not there to beat the child into submission so he/she   
   >> > becomes   
   >> > a properly submissive slave for the parents.   
   >> >   
   >> > The difference being the attitudes:   
   >> > A.  A child is there to SERVE his/her parents.   
   >> > B.  A child is there for a parent to *raise* to be the best he/she can   
   >> > be for   
   >> > *him/herself*.   
   >>   
   >> Exactly. I have often heard a parent say "I am your [father|mother]"   
   >> with the obvious meaning of "I am your master".   
   >>   
   >> > IOW, is it up to a parent to raise a child to be the best possible   
   >> > reflection on   
   >> > the parents ... or to be the best possible person for the child's self   
   >> > and   
   >> > eventually for the grandchildren that child will produce?   
   >> >   
   >> > All too often, looking at children as property, it's the first thing.   
   >> > I keep hearing things like, "What will the neighbors think if they find   
   >> > out I   
   >> > raised a child to ?"   
   >> >   
   >> > *Fuck* the neighbors.  Is the child HAPPY and HEALTHY doing ?   
   >>   
   >> And if s/he is, what's the problem?   
   >   
   >   
   > Again he proves what dirty bastards 'boylovers' really are.   
   >   
      
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