From: slider@anashram.com
On Fri, 02 Jul 2021 02:41:31 +0100, o'Mahoney
wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Jul 2021 14:29:06 +0100, slider
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 01 Jul 2021 12:15:49 +0100, o'Mahoney
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Jun 2021 12:54:42 +0100, slider
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "I have made it my life's work to see the world the way it actually
>>>> is,
>>>> to
>>>> learn whatever it is the universe had to teach me about itself, not
>>>> what I
>>>> believed I should be taught about it. Through the process of being
>>>> torn
>>>> completely down, spiritually broken and emotionally laid bare over and
>>>> over again, through having my most sincere spiritual idealities toyed
>>>> with
>>>> and annihilated in the most bizarre, twisted fashion, my world view
>>>> was
>>>> stripped down to nothing. I was left with the task of rebuilding, not
>>>> only
>>>> my life, but who I understand myself to be, from scratch."
>>>>
>>>> --From: 'Imagination and our world of Make-Believe'. By Vincent
>>>> Sargenti
>>>>
>>>> ### - sounds about right doesn't it heh... methinks vinny's nailed it
>>>> there! ;)
>>>>
>>>> i.e., by dint of being 'born' into wallyworld, and knowing nothing
>>>> else
>>>> to
>>>> the contrary, it thus takes a ferocious struggle for someone/anyone to
>>>> break-away from their moorings enough to begin to become aware of some
>>>> of
>>>> the things existing 'outside' of wallyworld and the cheap & cruddy
>>>> 'image'
>>>> of life, the universe & everything wallyworld thus typically
>>>> makes/paints
>>>> (and installs) of it all by default via it's strictly
>>>> reductionist-type
>>>> view...
>>>>
>>>> vinny's book therefore being 'one' description of a successful escape
>>>> from
>>>> its clutches (only one because there's as many examples as there are
>>>> people albeit some of them are typically grouped into almost
>>>> traditional-looking paths...)
>>>>
>>>> vinny's particular path being absolutely typical of many making the
>>>> same
>>>> journey: of someone first having to lose everything in order to
>>>> discover a
>>>> completely different approach/way when that 'old' way fails altogether
>>>> and
>>>> one thus begins (or is forced, rather) to see everything via newly
>>>> opened
>>>> eyes... (the christians would say he'd been 'born again', for example
>>>> ;)
>>>>
>>>> one can thus accordingly only conclude, that, in writing it all from
>>>> the
>>>> pov of hindsight, vinny obviously made it all the way to higher
>>>> ground,
>>>> shall we say?
>>>>
>>>> that he, for one, 'survived' the horrendous process of being stripped
>>>> to
>>>> the bone and laid bare, a process integral to him then
>>>> finding/discovering
>>>> himself anew...
>>>>
>>>> nice story, smile, quite warm, very human... ;)
>>>>
>>>> his story being/standing testament mainly to the fact that it CAN be
>>>> done!
>>>> and is thus: Valid!
>>>>
>>>> or, as in many instances these days: 'needs' to be done
>>>> double-quick-time
>>>> or we're all goin' down the fuckin' drain haha ;)
>>>>
>>>> (slider cracks the whip: MUSH! you lazy fuckin' mofo's! MUSH! MUSH!!!
>>>> hehe...)
>>>
>>> I think I'd trust someone with a recent Ph.D treatise on quantum
>>> mechanics and astrophysics thanks. No need to "tear yourself down and
>>> rebuilld yourself".
>>
>> ### - smile, fyi: that's actually the standard/traditional route for the
>> vast majority when it comes to reaching 'enlightenment' :)
>
> I don't know so much that the "standard/traditional" route for the
> masses is to listen attentively to an intellect who is eminently
> qualified to discuss the nature of reality at quantum scale and at
> astrophysical scale.
>
> Most of the droobs wouldn't know nature(reality) if it hit them in the
> arse :)
### - it 'should' be for the masses only it's not... very few actually
reaching the 'enlightened' state under discussion... the vast majority
instead going for reason, even though most of them don't quite make it and
end up being neither fish nor fowl... (i.e., these are then yer' typical
sheeps)
>> that only when the life one was living previously (i.e., one's previous
>> whole world view) collapses entirely, does something that was being kept
>> hidden in the background all that time get a chance to come forward...
>
> So, Einstein, Bohr, Feynmann, Hawking etc needed to have their lives
> "collapsed entirely" in order to make the massive world-changing
> discoveries which led to the techologies we all enjoy today and the
> understanding of reality and nature (one and the same actually) some
> of us who are priveliged to have reasonable IQ's enjoy today?
>
> Must have been a fucking early "collapse" for these giants seeing as
> most of these discoveries were made in their early 20's!
>
> Lol
### - 'rational' geniuses are something else; they're the epitome of
reason per se, the pioneers and front-runners of it...
'irrational' geniuses more usually being artists of one kind or another;
writers, poets, philosophers, painters & sculptors for example...
there can also be an element of overlapping between the two; Oppenheimer,
for example, liked poetry and other religious texts such as the bhagavad
gita... one of his friends (can't remember which) saying to him at one
point: why do you bother with all that poetry nonsense, we're scientists
for christsakes! and i can't remember his reply either, but it was
definitely along the lines of 'oh fuck-off you rational moron!" and/or
very elegant words to that effect lol :)))
>> one's 'grip' on that previous world view being sooo ultimately tenacious
>> and fixed that, subjectively, the experience of altering it is perforce
>> devastating as, for a little while at least, and until one puts the new
>> view together, one is seemingly without any view whatsoever and thus one
>> experiences the so called 'dark night of the soul' in which one seems to
>> have nada at all except one's life-force ;)
>
> Yadayadayada. The problem with people like you who deny science and
> want to trip out of all the difficulties which merely living and
> surviving in reality brings is that your lulu "worldviews" are just
> personal figments, hallucinations, soap bubbles in the wind.
### - am not 'denying' science, not at all, science has a definite place
in the grand scheme of things... rationalism, however, isn't ALL that
exists in the universe, there's another complete side to our nature, one
that remains relatively unexplored, i.e., 'inner space'
> Fuck the dark night of the soul. Those who have the luxury of
> contemplating such rubbish need to spend a few nights amongst the
> beggars of Calcutta or the slums of Rio or the refugees camps of Syria
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