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   rt.schizophrenia   
   From: ansaman@gmail.com   
      
   On 7/8/2021 11:44 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   > On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 23:17:18 -0400, ansaman  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 7/8/2021 6:34 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>> As a matter of fact.  Civilization is an unnatural act.  That doesn't   
   >>> mean that humans will stop trying to make it work.   
   >>   
   >> What makes it an unnatural act? Are you saying that   
   >> man is not a natural phenomena? What do you base that on?   
   >   
   > The natural thing was that humans would be hunter gatherers.   
   > Since leaving that behind, lots of other unnatural objections to   
   > nature's way have come along, like wanting to eat but refusing to be   
   > eaten (as much as possible).   
      
   That is the right of the apex predator, totally natural. Man   
   is the ultimate apex predator.   
      
   >   
   > Putting a hunter gatherer in a city with concrete and stop lights   
   > everywhere is about like putting a lion or a grizzly in a zoo.  Ever   
   > seen a lion going mad with frustration?  Back and forth, back and   
   > forth.  This is not how it was supposed to be he thinks.   
      
   Ah so you have this little box called hunter-gatherer   
   and you have put mankind in it and declared that natural,   
   but man is not the only hunter-gatherer and he is far   
   more than that. Mankind creates and uses tools (indeed   
   some animals have exhibited some tool making).   
   That does not make your city dweller unnatural. Mankind   
   also creates records and culture. Mankind is the master   
   manipulator, but I do not see how that makes him unnatural.   
   That is not how YOU think he is supposed to be. He has   
   chosen all these things, if not personally, then by   
   previous generations.   
      
   Ask Ned, there is evidence that cities were formed   
   to facilitate making beer, for defense, for storage   
   and creation of food, for trading of goods, for   
   exploitation of specialized skills, for religion.   
   There are a lot of reasons for cities and that does   
   not make them unnatural.   
      
      
   >   
   > The bubbling from underneath, like gasses escaping from a tar pit,   
   > comes in humans because they somehow believe concrete and stoplights   
   > is exactly how things should be.   
   >   
   > Metaphorically.   
   >   
   > Noah Sombrero   
   >   
      
      
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