XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.supp   
   rt.schizophrenia   
   From: wilson@nowhere.net   
      
   On 7/9/2021 3:40 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   > On Fri, 9 Jul 2021 15:31:35 -0400, Wilson  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 7/9/2021 3:04 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>> On Fri, 9 Jul 2021 13:18:00 -0400, Wilson  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 7/9/2021 1:04 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Humans are dangerous animals, but there are others far better equipped   
   >>>>>>> to be predators.  Humans are omnivores, not lions who must hunt.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Humans in groups can kill large herbivores like buffalos with pointy   
   >>>>>>> sticks, but it is a dangerous undertaking.  Humans were not meant be   
   >>>>>>> able to stand a distance away and kill buffalo with guns.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Who are you to say what is "meant to be"?  Who are any of us?  If it is,   
   >>>>>> it is meant to be.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Talking about what was and what is, does not mean that I think I can   
   >>>>> say what is meant to be.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Yet somehow one paragraph above you said, "Humans were not meant be   
   >>>> able to stand a distance away and kill buffalo with guns."   
   >>>   
   >>> That is not how it was done when the earth was young.  When humans   
   >>> were in tune with nature.   
   >>>   
   >>>> Look.  I know you're a fan of Biden but that's no reason to act like a   
   >>>> demented doddering old fool.   
   >>>   
   >>> How about if I act like a president doing a perfectly good job?   
   >>>   
   >>>>> The statement I quoted was, "civilization is an unnatural act."   
   >>>>> Perhaps the problem is that some people are applying their value   
   >>>>> judgments to "unnatural".   
   >>>>   
   >>>> More weasel words.   
   >>>   
   >>> If you don't like what they say.   
   >>>   
   >>>> Here's a fact for you:  If it exists it is natural.  Because humans are   
   >>>> a part of nature, the end result of natural processes.  Who are you, in   
   >>>> your tiny bubble of the finite, to say otherwise?  The separation of   
   >>>> what humans create from what is "natural" is artificial and a   
   >>>> destruction of the tapestry of creation and nature.   
   >>>   
   >>> It is not about what can be defined as natural if you manage your   
   >>> words well enough.  It is about how we feel about the world we have   
   >>> created for ourselves.  Like the lion in the zoo going back and forth   
   >>> in frustration.  Don't see a parallel?  That's ok, I didn't expect you   
   >>> would.   
   >>   
   >> I do understand exactly what you're saying.  To be out of harmony with   
   >> the world around us as it is, is to soak in despair.  The lion in   
   >> captivity feels despair and frustration because his nature is to be free   
   >> and bounded only by the abilities that nature gave him.   
   >   
   > Great.   
   >   
   >> What I'm saying though?  Do you have a clue?   
   >   
   > And it is also our nature to be free and bounded only by abilities   
   > nature gave us.  Nature did not give us cities to live in and workaday   
   > jobs.  Humans did that to themselves.   
      
   That's what you're saying, not what I'm saying.   
      
   I take it from your response you might not have a clue.   
      
   You said, "Humans were not meant be able to stand a distance away and   
   kill buffalo with guns."   
      
   And I say, yes we are.   
      
   Your idea that we're not meant to do certain things that we are clearly   
   doing is a denial of reality.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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