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   rt.schizophrenia   
   From: wilson@nowhere.net   
      
   On 7/10/2021 10:15 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   > On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 10:11:03 -0400, Noah Sombrero    
   > wrote:   
   >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 10:01:49 -0400, Wilson  wrote:   
   >>> On 7/9/2021 7:46 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>> On Fri, 9 Jul 2021 17:57:14 -0400, ansaman  wrote:   
   >>>>> On 7/9/2021 4:45 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>> Then there is the problem about how we invented all kinds of whatzits   
   >>>>>> and forgot that what we really needed to change was ourselves.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Humans are now hunter gatherer brains living in a world they don't   
   >>>>>> understand.  Didn't choose.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> We created this world. We chose it willingly and   
   >>>>> knowingly.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Sorta.  It still feels like "I did not choose this" to many.   
   >>>> Feelings, of course, are not rational.   They simply are.   
   >>>   
   >>> Phantom limbs have feeling even though they are not there.   
   >>   
   >> Different kind of feeling.   
      
   It's the same sort of feeling, though.  Experiencing what is not there.   
      
   >>   
   >>> Feelings are   
   >>> experienced, but they are not tangible and may not square with what is   
   >>> real outside yourself.   
   >>   
   >> As I said they are not rational.  Love being necessary to the making   
   >> of babies, but the loved one is really simply another human among the   
   >> masses.  That does not mean that love is to be ignored as irrational.   
   >> It is part of what makes life worth living along with other feelings.   
   >> We simply must honor them.  The "I did not choose this" feeling as   
   >> much as any.  Being rational does not make life worth living, Mr.   
   >> Spock, and it does not make humans content to live in cities and spend   
   >> a large part of their lives working for a paycheck.   
   >   
   > It is part of the modern human experience.  We want to do something   
   > that we are not content to do.  And the challenge of being in the   
   > modern world.  Humans simply must learn to understand themselves.   
      
   You say that other human beings "forgot that what we really needed to   
   change was ourselves."  But I keep hearing people say that, so clearly   
   we haven't forgotten it.   
      
   Perhaps it's a choice to be discontent.  The lion paces at the edge of   
   his cage.  He could be content but is not.  You might say "that is his   
   nature" and maybe you'd be correct.  But what about the lion that is   
   happy, eating her free meat, playing and swimming in the pool?  Is her   
   contentedness not a part of her nature as well?   
      
   If what we need to change is ourselves, why do you focus on the outer   
   world and the choices other human beings make when they decide to live   
   in cities?   
      
   Are you purely the effect of your feelings?  Or are you potentially the   
   maker of them?   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)