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   rt.schizophrenia   
   From: fedora@fea.st   
      
   On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 11:38:22 -0400, Wilson  wrote:   
      
   >On 7/10/2021 10:15 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 10:11:03 -0400, Noah Sombrero    
   >> wrote:   
   >>> On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 10:01:49 -0400, Wilson  wrote:   
   >>>> On 7/9/2021 7:46 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>> On Fri, 9 Jul 2021 17:57:14 -0400, ansaman  wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 7/9/2021 4:45 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>> Then there is the problem about how we invented all kinds of whatzits   
   >>>>>>> and forgot that what we really needed to change was ourselves.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Humans are now hunter gatherer brains living in a world they don't   
   >>>>>>> understand.  Didn't choose.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> We created this world. We chose it willingly and   
   >>>>>> knowingly.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Sorta.  It still feels like "I did not choose this" to many.   
   >>>>> Feelings, of course, are not rational.   They simply are.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Phantom limbs have feeling even though they are not there.   
   >>>   
   >>> Different kind of feeling.   
   >   
   >It's the same sort of feeling, though.  Experiencing what is not there.   
   >   
   >>>   
   >>>> Feelings are   
   >>>> experienced, but they are not tangible and may not square with what is   
   >>>> real outside yourself.   
   >>>   
   >>> As I said they are not rational.  Love being necessary to the making   
   >>> of babies, but the loved one is really simply another human among the   
   >>> masses.  That does not mean that love is to be ignored as irrational.   
   >>> It is part of what makes life worth living along with other feelings.   
   >>> We simply must honor them.  The "I did not choose this" feeling as   
   >>> much as any.  Being rational does not make life worth living, Mr.   
   >>> Spock, and it does not make humans content to live in cities and spend   
   >>> a large part of their lives working for a paycheck.   
   >>   
   >> It is part of the modern human experience.  We want to do something   
   >> that we are not content to do.  And the challenge of being in the   
   >> modern world.  Humans simply must learn to understand themselves.   
   >   
   >You say that other human beings "forgot that what we really needed to   
   >change was ourselves."  But I keep hearing people say that, so clearly   
   >we haven't forgotten it.   
   >   
   >Perhaps it's a choice to be discontent.  The lion paces at the edge of   
   >his cage.  He could be content but is not.  You might say "that is his   
   >nature" and maybe you'd be correct.  But what about the lion that is   
   >happy, eating her free meat, playing and swimming in the pool?  Is her   
   >contentedness not a part of her nature as well?   
      
   I must have missed seeing that  lion at the zoo.   
      
   >If what we need to change is ourselves, why do you focus on the outer   
   >world and the choices other human beings make when they decide to live   
   >in cities?   
   >   
   >Are you purely the effect of your feelings?  Or are you potentially the   
   >maker of them?   
      
   Potentially somewhat.  Do you get to "choose" who to love?   
      
   Noah Sombrero   
      
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