XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.supp
rt.schizophrenia
From: wilson@nowhere.net
On 7/10/2021 12:45 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 10:47:27 -0400, Wilson wrote:
>
>> On 7/9/2021 3:40 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>> On Fri, 9 Jul 2021 15:31:35 -0400, Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/9/2021 3:04 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 9 Jul 2021 13:18:00 -0400, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/9/2021 1:04 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Humans are dangerous animals, but there are others far better
equipped
>>>>>>>>> to be predators. Humans are omnivores, not lions who must hunt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Humans in groups can kill large herbivores like buffalos with pointy
>>>>>>>>> sticks, but it is a dangerous undertaking. Humans were not meant be
>>>>>>>>> able to stand a distance away and kill buffalo with guns.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who are you to say what is "meant to be"? Who are any of us? If it
is,
>>>>>>>> it is meant to be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Talking about what was and what is, does not mean that I think I can
>>>>>>> say what is meant to be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet somehow one paragraph above you said, "Humans were not meant be
>>>>>> able to stand a distance away and kill buffalo with guns."
>>>>>
>>>>> That is not how it was done when the earth was young. When humans
>>>>> were in tune with nature.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Look. I know you're a fan of Biden but that's no reason to act like a
>>>>>> demented doddering old fool.
>>>>>
>>>>> How about if I act like a president doing a perfectly good job?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> The statement I quoted was, "civilization is an unnatural act."
>>>>>>> Perhaps the problem is that some people are applying their value
>>>>>>> judgments to "unnatural".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More weasel words.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't like what they say.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's a fact for you: If it exists it is natural. Because humans are
>>>>>> a part of nature, the end result of natural processes. Who are you, in
>>>>>> your tiny bubble of the finite, to say otherwise? The separation of
>>>>>> what humans create from what is "natural" is artificial and a
>>>>>> destruction of the tapestry of creation and nature.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is not about what can be defined as natural if you manage your
>>>>> words well enough. It is about how we feel about the world we have
>>>>> created for ourselves. Like the lion in the zoo going back and forth
>>>>> in frustration. Don't see a parallel? That's ok, I didn't expect you
>>>>> would.
>>>>
>>>> I do understand exactly what you're saying. To be out of harmony with
>>>> the world around us as it is, is to soak in despair. The lion in
>>>> captivity feels despair and frustration because his nature is to be free
>>>> and bounded only by the abilities that nature gave him.
>>>
>>> Great.
>>>
>>>> What I'm saying though? Do you have a clue?
>>>
>>> And it is also our nature to be free and bounded only by abilities
>>> nature gave us. Nature did not give us cities to live in and workaday
>>> jobs. Humans did that to themselves.
>>
>> That's what you're saying, not what I'm saying.
>>
>> I take it from your response you might not have a clue.
>>
>> You said, "Humans were not meant be able to stand a distance away and
>> kill buffalo with guns."
>>
>> And I say, yes we are.
>>
>> Your idea that we're not meant to do certain things that we are clearly
>> doing is a denial of reality.
>
> What I say is that when humans lived as hunter gatherers with pointy
> sticks for weapons and the ability to outlast a deer sometimes, they
> were living within natural systems, not destructive to them. That is
> no longer the case. And I also say that the human brain has not had
> time to adapt to civilized life.
>
> It is true that I did not say that very well. Here is another
> attempt.
Cities are just as "natural" as spears.
The human brain not being ready for all of this however actually makes
sense.
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