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   Noah Sombrero to one   
   Re: I came to the conclusion   
   13 Jul 21 10:17:02   
   
   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.supp   
   rt.schizophrenia   
   From: fedora@fea.st   
      
   On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 06:30:45 -0700, one  wrote:   
      
   >Noah wrote:   
   >> one wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>Twas written:   
   >>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Those anaerobic bacteria would like to have a word with you.  But   
   they   
   >>>>>>>>>>> can't because they are all dead!   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> So are dinosaurs, but not because they destroyed the ecosystem.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> You don't actually know that.   
   >   
   >Epistemologies vary.   
   >Premises can make a valid argument consistent to a point.   
   >Whether premises are taken for granted, as granted, can vary as wells.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>> Better to say, I know it, but you don't.  That universe thing again.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Pretending to know is not knowing.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> True, but the pretending is only perceived from the perspective of   
   >>>>>> your universe.   
   >   
   >Butterflies cause hurricanes. A single flap of a wing   
   >is able to destry cities across the face of a world   
   >view viewers view. Chaos theory one oh one.   
   >   
   >>>>> If you want to know like I know, you can get a degree in biology at   
   >>>>> your local university.  If that topic is not covered in your program,   
   >>>>> you will at least know where to look to find the information.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Otherwise, you have your resources, but they don't apply in my   
   >>>>> universe.   
   >>>   
   >>>Aren't birds, dinosaurs, in a Way?   
   >>>If so, the dinosaurs are not all dead.   
   >>   
   >>Actually they are.   
   >   
   >Birds are dinosaurs.   
   >Dinosaurs are all dead.   
   >   
   >Assertions vary, actually.   
   >Statements made, given: contexts.   
   >Semantics are at play quite often.   
   >   
   >>>The very first cells remain alive, assuming Life   
   >>>began as single cellulars who divided and multiplied.   
   >>   
   >>The fact that all organisms have a common ancestor sometime a billion   
   >>years ago, does not make them the same.   
   >   
   >If there was one, and only one, first cell, then   
   >all living beings are that one and only one cell   
   >which divided and multiplied even unto this day.   
   >   
   >>>Those cells are immortal naturally.   
   >>   
   >>Or immortal.   
   >   
   >Or immortal, artificially, by dividing   
   >and dividing the first cells from all other cells, as well   
   >as being wells of the Earth, not the Earth its own self   
   >the selves of the cells do spring froth there from.   
   >   
   >>>They simply divide. Tis odd, how one divides. Two emerges.   
   >>>Given an environment, makes a form of a three, even still.   
   >>>From the three, 10k-things are born. Sew goes a myth.   
   >>>   
   >>>Multi-cellular beings, organisms, who evolved   
   >>>and began to do all sorts of intentional as well as doing   
   >>>unintentional activities continue an unbroken line of time beings.   
   >>>   
   >>>- as if the universe was not one entire noun-thing ...   
   >>   
   >>This appears to be true, in a conjectural sort of way.  On the other   
   >>hand, if you and I are to talk to each other, we must do it through a   
   >>phantasmagoric electronic device sending electronic impulses around   
   >>the world.   
   >   
   >Must, like a seed, a mustard seed, grows.   
   >From a pov of there being a universe, the Universe,   
   >all beings of Being, of Existence, are sock-puppets there of.   
   >   
   >To reify, making nouns, things, people and places place   
   >language as a key of sorts to Unblock a block here and there   
   >for one to hear can take an ear to the ground where tracks   
   >on which trains of thought run, going without going far oar near.   
   >   
   >> And my cat can decide it owns a different human resident   
   >>in this household and not me.  Such being the experience of separate   
   >>wills.  The atomic unity is not so significant for us in living the   
   >>moment, irrelavent even.   
   >   
   >Aye. Agree. A natural Way for people is to people   
   >their world with separate individuals, so-called, by name.   
      
   So, the universe as expressed by you wishes to unname itself.  Other   
   expressions don't see the point of that.  As soon as the universe   
   figures out what it wants, us expressions will be a lot less confused.   
      
   >Names name. So a second line in an ancient text may suggest.   
   >A name that is unusual if not beyond names, naming that   
   >has bins of hats is impossible, naturally.   
   >   
   >- being beyond language ... Thanks again! Cheers!   
      
   Being beyond language is fine if you are staring at a wall.   
   Using language to get beyond language, is the hammer holding a nail   
   and wondering how this thing works.   
      
      
   Noah Sombrero   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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