XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.supp   
   rt.schizophrenia   
   From: fedora@fea.st   
      
   On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 08:14:47 -0700, one  wrote:   
      
   >Noah wrote:   
   >   
   >>It sounds like you see two options.  Carve or not carve.   
   >   
   >Carve and not carve is a third.   
   >Either/or paradigms tend two be m'ore limited.   
   >   
   >A feature of Taoism, and prehaps Buddhism, can be   
   >the neither-nor opt-ion of the many and neti-neti.   
   >   
   >A Hindu view could include tat-vam-asi.   
   >   
   >>Awareness of things or awareness of unity.   
   >   
   >Perspectives give rise to appearances.   
   >To say, what is. To say, reality. People say.   
   >   
   >Language has its objects, subjects who object and   
   >what, assuming a what is can be, goes without saying.   
   >   
   >>There is at least one more, refusal to be aware.   
   >   
   >Aye. Like a coin with five sides.   
   >   
   >Most have two plus an edge until seeing   
   >how they have their inside and outside while   
   >a common notion is their outside isn't them, them   
   >being their inside only, naturally.   
   >   
   >Then, then again, dimensions are able to reveal   
   >materials a coin is said to have, said to be.   
   >Is a coin its inside in a vacuum. Hmm.   
   >   
   >Being made, some in the shade, coins exist.   
   >At times people, some people, might say the Universe is   
   >made, created in a Way. Again, language plays its parts.   
   >   
   >>Another might be, not carve means nothing can be better so don't try;   
   >>stare at the wall.   
   >   
   >Doing without doing. Spontaneous, naturally, people may be.   
   >   
   >To suppose hunters and gatherers are more natural   
   >than city dwellers can be to dwell and plumb a deep well.   
   >   
   >>There are more, I'm sure.   
   >   
   >Aye. Like the one about a frog, and a sea-turtle.   
   >Tis a Taoist tale told in the Chuang-tzu of all texts.   
   >   
   >>You get to choose.  Your not carve viewpoint is a choosing, your   
   >>carving.   
   >   
   >If you say sew. T'here you are.   
   >   
   >Free-will, free-choice, choosing is a paradigm.   
   >Presupposed, taken for granted as granite is a body, some   
   >body, anybody who, given: language, exists.   
   >   
   >Nouns, e.g. people, and things, e.g. will,   
   >are governed by grammar, naturally.   
   >   
   >To choose, as a verb, creates action.   
   >Actionless-action can be a Taoist term.   
   >   
   >Who does the doing when there is no self.   
   >When no body is other than the Universe is.   
   >Then and there, prehaps, to pare a dime shifts.   
   >   
   >>Unity is beside the point for separate awarenesses that choose to be   
   >>aware, and think something can be better, whatever that means.   
   >   
   >Aye. Progress. Assuming seasons are going some where.   
   >Better and better, for that pair there is no end.   
   >   
   >Perfection never arrives, given such a scenario.   
   >Yet, for an awareness at times, perfection is.   
   >   
   >A flower, a cloud, a gnarly tree is.   
   >All are examples of perfection, naturally.   
   >   
   >> I'm sure cats would approve.  All windows should have sunny window sills   
   >>on which to snooze.  I think it is ok for cats to be happy rather than   
   >>otherwise, even if I am at unity with the cat.   
   >   
   >Some people keep, quote their, cats in their, house.   
   >Some keep dogs on a lease, fish in tanks, birds   
   >with clipped wings in cages they remain, unphased.   
   >   
   >It's natural for people, some people, to ride horses.   
   >With bits in their mouths, to kick them and yet,   
   >the Chuang-tzu has a chapter about t'hats.   
   >   
   >https://terebess.hu/english/chuangtzu1.html#9   
   >   
   >Taoist philosophy has its points, naturally.   
   >   
   >Civilized life, small villages and towns are   
   >not all bad all the time. Big cities too may be.   
      
   Right, it is a probability.  What is more likely to give less bad more   
   of the time.   
      
   >- cheers!   
      
   Noah Sombrero   
      
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