XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.supp   
   rt.schizophrenia   
   From: fedora@fea.st   
      
   On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 08:34:17 -0700, one wrote:   
      
   >Noah wrote:   
   >   
   >>The rule of the universe is that all matter descends to total   
   >>disorder. Entropy must decrease.   
   >   
   >Lots of presumptions in those two statements.   
      
   Verifiable presumptions, based on mathematics and observation. It is   
   true, humans might have a better approximation in 100 years or so. But   
   this is the best we have now.   
      
   >   
   >> That is the existing that seems to   
   >>do itself. Has no reason, simply is.   
   >   
   >Tis the Law!   
   >Sew the physicists weave   
   >their spell on their own very s'elves.   
   >   
   >> That does not mean that there   
   >>is no reason, only that humans on this planet don't know what it is.   
   >>Other planets might have creatures that do know.   
   >   
   >Jah-mon.   
   >   
   >You can be the reason. You are.   
   >Each point is the point beyond being a.   
   >   
   >>Earth life is based on reverse entropy fueled by energy from the sun.   
   >   
   >Obviously, Earth exists.   
   >Obviously, the Sun rises and sets.   
   >   
   >Know. Wait. That the Sun only appears   
   >to rise and set is what appears when it appears.   
   >   
   >When appearances appear to appear such   
   >that reality shifts that reality from being   
   >the one and only Reality, appears.   
   >   
   >>The rule seems to be that energy once trapped must remain in the   
   >>system as long as possible, as organisms pass it from one to another   
   >>as they eat each other in one way or the other.   
   >   
   >The purpose of porpoises is to eat, to reproduce.   
   >Not to surf any waves. Nay. No fun for them. Ever.   
   >   
   >None are able to be simply,   
   >simply to be for the Being that is.   
   >   
   >A myth may say, Being is. Bliss is. And   
   >going further, consciousness is. Sat-chit-ananda.   
   >   
   >Once existence exists, devolution occurs. Being involved.   
   >Involved beings of Being, of Existence get, like, all involved.   
   >   
   >> That also seems to do   
   >>itself. Still, other creatures on other planets might understand how   
   >>that happens.   
   >   
   >Big fish eat little fish and sew on and on fish are.   
   >Eating to eat. Reproducing to reproduce. For no reason other   
   >than being Energy at play. A dance, the Dance to dance, naturally.   
   >   
   >>To assume there is no reason (it simply is a process doing itself)   
   >>simply because you don't know the reason is hubris.   
   >   
   >To assume a reason exists prior to existence   
   >can be to hitch up a horse, which is, unnatural.   
      
   Right, assume nothing, admit you do not know.   
      
   >First, ontologically, Existence is.   
   >Immediately, a reification occurs.   
   >   
   >Given: Being is. Existence is.   
   >Then, a cause, causes, a reason, reasons, emerge.   
   >Carving is what carvers carve out of what is, naturally, Uncarved.   
   >   
   >To place reason prior to existence, one can.   
   >One cans a can full of worms and may box with a box   
   >of being, being how frogs are and sea-turtles know how to swim.   
   >   
   >>In the mean time, I know you as a separate awareness.   
   >   
   >Given: Tao Chia, assuming that's a topic among topics.   
   >While the well-frog was astonished at the sea-turtle's domain,   
   >at the same time the sea-turtle remained unable to get   
   >beyond a knee in to where the well-frog dwelled.   
   >   
   >> I must deal   
   >>with you in terms of that separateness.   
   >   
   >Well, if you must then   
   >then you must then.   
   >   
   >> To assume other realities is   
   >>not useful simply because I am ignorant concerning what is really   
   >>going on.   
   >   
   >Assuming a really, really is, going on.   
      
   Assume neither. But it remains possible that there is a real real   
   going on. So, it doesn't help to assume otherwise.   
      
   >- naturally! Cheers!   
      
   Noah Sombrero   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   
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