XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.supp   
   rt.schizophrenia   
   From: being@apolka.sign   
      
   ansaman wrote:   
   > one wrote:   
   >   
   >> Doing nothing, a flower is drawn to flower   
   >> by all the factors which draw it near to be   
   >> no thing other than what it is, to flower.   
   >   
   >When something acts according to its   
   >nature, it is in its place.   
      
   Assuming a thing is, a place is   
   and its nature is, without objection.   
      
   Already there are three, words,   
   not to mention verbs, time frames and pre-   
   positions positioned within the sentence.   
      
   A sentence sentences a thought complete.   
   A boxed car in a train of thought tracked.   
      
   Iterating and reiterating what is written below   
   as an echo of sorts, one finds many, a pattern.   
      
   Can a fractal make a mistake, one wonders.   
   Equations equate. An equal sign vibrates.   
   Two sides appear different, and yet are not.   
      
   >In that sense, Noah has repeatedly asserted   
   >that we are not really acting according to   
   >our nature and this causes suffering and   
   >disharmony (or that is my impression of   
   >what he is saying).   
      
   Being able to agree, one may say, aye, agree.   
   Being able to reflect and respect a pov   
   a conversation can end at that.   
      
   Maps map. Where is one going, one may ask.   
   Healthy people might not visit a doctor. When   
   one suffers, a solution could be sought after.   
      
   If some one, such as Noah or any one, suffers,   
   a source may be found in one's thought. Patterns   
   of identification, with one's carving, creating things   
   in one's mind as one's trains of thought trained one.   
      
   >They did an experiment a while back with   
   >baby wild turkey chicks who having never seen   
   >a predator or even another being of any kind   
   >reacted protectively when a shadow like a hawk   
   >was displayed.   
   >   
   >This hard wiring might be thought of in the   
   >same way that we think of firmware. Instinct drives   
   >almost all living things... but mankind.   
      
   Mankind sucks, instinctually.   
   Knees jerk. Rooting, moro, step, grasp, reflexes   
   people are born, quantum style, of a people-wave.   
      
   As individuals in particular, a people-wave waves   
   its waves of people on the surface of a sphere.   
      
   People tunnel, similar to other quanta,   
   without being the same, as are flakes of snow.   
      
   Water is water. Water waters.   
   Its forms change to a point.   
   A molecule divided is no longer water.   
      
   >We have been overwriting our firmware with   
   >self-generated software and data for a very   
   >long time and it is our problem that we have   
   >done a very poor job debugging what we have written.   
      
   Seeing bugs, wabbits emerge.   
   Tribbles multiply on starships far and wide.   
      
   >We pass on the same errors to our children   
   >that were passed on to us, even without realizing.   
      
   Assuming errors are errors, one mite   
   finds, well-carving a frog knows not an ocean.   
      
   >Sometimes, new ideas come along and they are   
   >incorporated with very little testing and   
   >even widely adopted with horrific results.   
      
   Seeking its own level, water   
   and nature may be viewed as doing   
   without intent, and, reaches lowest lows   
   along with highest highs.   
      
   Exploring all Ways, ones that survive, survive.   
   Natural Selection Theory might see fit if not fittest   
   to presume, evolution, rather than involution.   
      
   Being involved, energy gets.   
   Energy transmits, changing forms.   
      
   Matter matters and given an equal sign   
   is not other than waves in particular.   
      
   One mite insists, a flower is not dirt, not   
   air nor water, nor a sun, the Sun, nay.   
      
   An other one states, ah, and, sew.   
   Sew an it seams. Two be. Three. Many.   
      
   >On top of this we have added many tools such   
   >as culture, science and technology, and art and   
   >literature that often cloud the issue as   
   >much as they are useful.   
      
   Taking issue with tissue   
   paper, some is too rough and some   
   has lotion, fragrance, rips too easily or not easy enuf.   
      
   An issue of using a map to map is its limits.   
   Maps map. Maps may be of use. Territories vary.   
      
   A chart of an electrical system or plumbing   
   can be a huge help when a problem is found.   
      
   With systems emerge systemic problems.   
   Machines break. Without machines, suddenly,   
   and perhaps without notice, such problems vanish.   
      
   Seeing people as a species, as a system, one mite   
   seizes at times and, like a cam or a crank loses   
   strength being unable to turn around as   
   planned given smoke and mirrors.   
      
   >It all started with a level of awareness that   
   >exceeds and transcends instinct.   
      
   Kinda like, once upon a time ... .   
      
   A myth-map that begins with an it might   
   be picked up and carried a long for a spell.   
      
   In depth the plot thickens.   
   Captivated ears listen.   
      
   > With complex   
   >communication comes transmission of information,   
   >a spread of innovation (this is how to make fire),   
   >and eventually the abstract thought that takes   
   >us away from the here and now into the murky   
   >and dangerous past and future. Suffering in the   
   >mental sense becomes real.   
      
   Even more real than an odd nation-state   
   of mind, or a species-state, of being,   
   an individual being may suffer.   
      
   >Mankind becomes aware   
   >of death in an intellectual way. Ancient religious   
   >thought accounts for the sacrifice that our   
   >animal friends make when we eat them.   
      
   One wonders, me being one, personally, if, aye,   
   if hungry enough would killing of near cousins be done.   
   Would a live rabbit be caught, or a buffalo sought.   
   Carry on, the carrion before hunting may be   
   was how people managed on a scene.   
      
   > It progresses   
   >from regret to worship to ritualized slaughter   
   >meant to lessen the suffering of domesticated animals.   
   >The child asks about the thunder and we create an   
   >answer so we can stop them asking repeatedly. The   
   >child ask what happened to Grandma when she died   
   >and we come up with an answer or what our parents   
   >told us.   
      
   It all started when the One, the Self began   
   to play hide and seek and progressed in stages   
   on stages through out history with time beings.   
      
   >We start small and accumulate incredible amounts   
   >of data and software. Primitive man has been shown   
   >to learn the turns of the seasons by observing the   
   >sky and then knows when to plant or when the herds   
   >that migrate will return. Some of the stuff is really   
   >useful... and some is filled with misinformation.   
   >The best of culture competes with the worst of culture   
   >in our lives.   
      
   A war going on inside provides   
   grist for a mill stone turning by ox.   
      
   >Then, even as we have created all this new software,   
   >the firmware persists and creates real problems. Drives   
   >for sex, drives for aggression, drives for fear of   
   >outsiders, drives for accumulation of material goods   
   >and food sometimes clash with other drives such as   
   >cooperation and compassion. The underlying anxiety   
   >in our firmware is multiplied. What used to protect   
   >us and drive us makes us miserable.   
      
   At times, aye, one is depressed and as an old one,   
   a Lao Tzu may have noticed, to leap requires a   
   kind of a knee-bend, usually going without saying.   
      
   Can one, aye, me being me, know a high   
   without having bins of low plumbed in depth.   
      
   When awareness flowers flower   
   being drawn to return to the Self, the One,   
   Being, Existence, Life, beyond names, what then.   
      
      
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