XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.supp   
   rt.schizophrenia   
   From: fedora@fea.st   
      
   On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 05:44:11 -0700, one  wrote:   
      
   >ansaman wrote:   
   >> one wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> Doing nothing, a flower is drawn to flower   
   >>> by all the factors which draw it near to be   
   >>> no thing other than what it is, to flower.   
   >>   
   >>When something acts according to its   
   >>nature, it is in its place.   
   >   
   >Assuming a thing is, a place is   
   >and its nature is, without objection.   
   >   
   >Already there are three, words,   
   >not to mention verbs, time frames and pre-   
   >positions positioned within the sentence.   
   >   
   >A sentence sentences a thought complete.   
   >A boxed car in a train of thought tracked.   
   >   
   >Iterating and reiterating what is written below   
   >as an echo of sorts, one finds many, a pattern.   
   >   
   >Can a fractal make a mistake, one wonders.   
   >Equations equate. An equal sign vibrates.   
   >Two sides appear different, and yet are not.   
   >   
   >>In that sense, Noah has repeatedly asserted   
   >>that we are not really acting according to   
   >>our nature and this causes suffering and   
   >>disharmony (or that is my impression of   
   >>what he is saying).   
   >   
   >Being able to agree, one may say, aye, agree.   
   >Being able to reflect and respect a pov   
   >a conversation can end at that.   
   >   
   >Maps map. Where is one going, one may ask.   
   >Healthy people might not visit a doctor. When   
   >one suffers, a solution could be sought after.   
   >   
   >If some one, such as Noah or any one, suffers,   
   >a source may be found in one's thought. Patterns   
   >of identification, with one's carving, creating things   
   >in one's mind as one's trains of thought trained one.   
   >   
   >>They did an experiment a while back with   
   >>baby wild turkey chicks who having never seen   
   >>a predator or even another being of any kind   
   >>reacted protectively when a shadow like a hawk   
   >>was displayed.   
   >>   
   >>This hard wiring might be thought of in the   
   >>same way that we think of firmware. Instinct drives   
   >>almost all living things... but mankind.   
   >   
   >Mankind sucks, instinctually.   
   >Knees jerk. Rooting, moro, step, grasp, reflexes   
   >people are born, quantum style, of a people-wave.   
   >   
   >As individuals in particular, a people-wave waves   
   >its waves of people on the surface of a sphere.   
   >   
   >People tunnel, similar to other quanta,   
   >without being the same, as are flakes of snow.   
   >   
   >Water is water. Water waters.   
   >Its forms change to a point.   
   >A molecule divided is no longer water.   
   >   
   >>We have been overwriting our firmware with   
   >>self-generated software and data for a very   
   >>long time and it is our problem that we have   
   >>done a very poor job debugging what we have written.   
   >   
   >Seeing bugs, wabbits emerge.   
   >Tribbles multiply on starships far and wide.   
   >   
   >>We pass on the same errors to our children   
   >>that were passed on to us, even without realizing.   
   >   
   >Assuming errors are errors, one mite   
   >finds, well-carving a frog knows not an ocean.   
   >   
   >>Sometimes, new ideas come along and they are   
   >>incorporated with very little testing and   
   >>even widely adopted with horrific results.   
   >   
   >Seeking its own level, water   
   >and nature may be viewed as doing   
   >without intent, and, reaches lowest lows   
   >along with highest highs.   
   >   
   >Exploring all Ways, ones that survive, survive.   
   >Natural Selection Theory might see fit if not fittest   
   >to presume, evolution, rather than involution.   
   >   
   >Being involved, energy gets.   
   >Energy transmits, changing forms.   
   >   
   >Matter matters and given an equal sign   
   >is not other than waves in particular.   
   >   
   >One mite insists, a flower is not dirt, not   
   >air nor water, nor a sun, the Sun, nay.   
   >   
   >An other one states, ah, and, sew.   
   >Sew an it seams. Two be. Three. Many.   
   >   
   >>On top of this we have added many tools such   
   >>as culture, science and technology, and art and   
   >>literature that often cloud the issue as   
   >>much as they are useful.   
   >   
   >Taking issue with tissue   
   >paper, some is too rough and some   
   >has lotion, fragrance, rips too easily or not easy enuf.   
   >   
   >An issue of using a map to map is its limits.   
   >Maps map. Maps may be of use. Territories vary.   
   >   
   >A chart of an electrical system or plumbing   
   >can be a huge help when a problem is found.   
   >   
   >With systems emerge systemic problems.   
   >Machines break. Without machines, suddenly,   
   >and perhaps without notice, such problems vanish.   
   >   
   >Seeing people as a species, as a system, one mite   
   >seizes at times and, like a cam or a crank loses   
   >strength being unable to turn around as   
   >planned given smoke and mirrors.   
   >   
   >>It all started with a level of awareness that   
   >>exceeds and transcends instinct.   
   >   
   >Kinda like, once upon a time ... .   
   >   
   >A myth-map that begins with an it might   
   >be picked up and carried a long for a spell.   
   >   
   >In depth the plot thickens.   
   >Captivated ears listen.   
   >   
   >> With complex   
   >>communication comes transmission of information,   
   >>a spread of innovation (this is how to make fire),   
   >>and eventually the abstract thought that takes   
   >>us away from the here and now into the murky   
   >>and dangerous past and future. Suffering in the   
   >>mental sense becomes real.   
   >   
   >Even more real than an odd nation-state   
   >of mind, or a species-state, of being,   
   >an individual being may suffer.   
   >   
   >>Mankind becomes aware   
   >>of death in an intellectual way. Ancient religious   
   >>thought accounts for the sacrifice that our   
   >>animal friends make when we eat them.   
   >   
   >One wonders, me being one, personally, if, aye,   
   >if hungry enough would killing of near cousins be done.   
   >Would a live rabbit be caught, or a buffalo sought.   
   >Carry on, the carrion before hunting may be   
   >was how people managed on a scene.   
   >   
   >> It progresses   
   >>from regret to worship to ritualized slaughter   
   >>meant to lessen the suffering of domesticated animals.   
   >>The child asks about the thunder and we create an   
   >>answer so we can stop them asking repeatedly. The   
   >>child ask what happened to Grandma when she died   
   >>and we come up with an answer or what our parents   
   >>told us.   
   >   
   >It all started when the One, the Self began   
   >to play hide and seek and progressed in stages   
   >on stages through out history with time beings.   
   >   
   >>We start small and accumulate incredible amounts   
   >>of data and software. Primitive man has been shown   
   >>to learn the turns of the seasons by observing the   
   >>sky and then knows when to plant or when the herds   
   >>that migrate will return. Some of the stuff is really   
   >>useful... and some is filled with misinformation.   
   >>The best of culture competes with the worst of culture   
   >>in our lives.   
   >   
   >A war going on inside provides   
   >grist for a mill stone turning by ox.   
   >   
   >>Then, even as we have created all this new software,   
   >>the firmware persists and creates real problems. Drives   
   >>for sex, drives for aggression, drives for fear of   
   >>outsiders, drives for accumulation of material goods   
   >>and food sometimes clash with other drives such as   
      
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