XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.supp   
   rt.schizophrenia   
   From: being@apolka.sign   
      
   Noah wrote:   
   > one wrote:   
   >> Noah wrote:   
   >>> one wrote:   
   >>>> Noah wrote:   
   >>>>> one wrote:   
   >>>>>> Noah wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>> And my cat can decide it owns a different human resident   
   >>>>>>>in this household and not me.  Such being the experience of separate   
   >>>>>>>wills.  The atomic unity is not so significant for us in living the   
   >>>>>>>moment, irrelavent even.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Aye. Agree. A natural Way for people is to people   
   >>>>>>their world with separate individuals, so-called, by name.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>So, the universe as expressed by you wishes to unname itself.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Water has no wishes   
   >>>>and yet it, as a thing, nourishes.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>To suppose some universe, wishes, sounds like fishes.   
   >>>   
   >>>Also to suppose not.   
   >>   
   >>Aye. Duality springs   
   >>spring from what, a what,   
   >>which includes both and   
   >>at the same time is   
   >>neither/nor.   
   >   
   >It doesn't matter from where it springs.  It matters whether there is   
   >sufficient milk in the fridge for parents and kids to have breakfast.   
      
   Without civilization, there'd be no fridge.   
   Are refrigerators natural. Freon is as bad as neon   
   lights that make artifical beings more artificial   
   not to mention napalm.   
      
   Is a feature of reality good.   
   Is a phenomenon bad. Both. Neither. What matters, matters.   
      
   >But when seated on a mat on the floor, with legs crossed and hands   
   >just so, one can think about non-duality all day long if one pleases.   
      
   Returning to a Tao, indeed without deeds pleases me.   
   When finding a Tao in action, inaction, so to speak can be key.   
      
   Hunters hunted when hungry, presumably.   
   Gatherers gathered and learned to plant seeds, naturally.   
   Agriculture sprang from the earth as Earth peopled its self.   
   Its elves were imagined and from there the gods ruled.   
      
   >>>  In the meantime, humans are left to decide what   
   >>>is best.   
   >>   
   >>Some humans are left. Some are right. Right.   
   >>To the left of left many are. A middle path exists.   
   >>One mite says, many middles Paths are. Tao. Plural.   
   >   
   >That is the problem.  Humans cannot agree on what is best so very   
   >little gets done, other than accumulate wealth.   
      
   Democracy has its merits and can be problematic.   
   Two parties, three parties, party animals party.   
      
   In a land, an artificial mythical place, China,   
   much is able to get done begotten of its nature.   
      
   Before China was China, old men, the Lao Tzu passed   
   on their wisdom and through a gateless gate at a pass   
   in a long longing for what was beyond empire buildings.   
      
   >  Those who have wealth   
   >agree that is best, and since wealth brings power, accumulate wealth   
   >is what happens.   
      
   To have riches beyond material things   
   a mystic, a metaphysician may know, jnana   
   knowing how what is non-physical goes and is.   
      
   If civilization is seen as bad, the view is.   
   If one's country, or any nation-state of mind is viewed   
   then one has entered a map making-reality, that reality.   
      
   When one has a body or is some body, an individual so-   
   called to be apart from all others, then that's t'hat.   
      
   Being a part of, one's outside is one as is one's inside   
   and the skin being full of holes might be holy cow man!   
      
   >>> So far they have considered little beyond how to sell a city   
   >>>plot with house or a rural plot with farm for a million dollars or   
   >>>better.  So they have little evidence as to what might be better for   
   >>>humans who are not real estate agents.  I suggest that such evidence   
   >>>might be useful, as opposed to the proposition that there are no uses,   
   >>>only the universe doing itself.   
   >>   
   >>Those who seek money may find   
   >>beyond some amount, they render.   
   >>Tender may be legal and yet knot.   
   >   
   >All the bank robbers are not in prison.  Then there are the robber   
   >banks.  Very dual, but it does interfere with the supply of milk for   
   >breakfast.   
      
   Toilet paper was another story.   
   Indoor plumbing, how civil that is.   
   Sewage treatment plants a flag.   
      
   >>... snip ...   
   >>   
   >>>>>>Names name. So a second line in an ancient text may suggest.   
   >>>>>>A name that is unusual if not beyond names, naming that   
   >>>>>>has bins of hats is impossible, naturally.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>- being beyond language ... Thanks again! Cheers!   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Being beyond language is fine if you are staring at a wall.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>It's even more better, in the Zone.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Know words, knowing words, intellectually,   
   >>>>one mite wonders, how does one ride a bike.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Beyond language, one beats one's own heart.   
   >>>>One grows one's hair, without knowing how.   
   >>>   
   >>>Human needs are now of much larger scope,   
   >>   
   >>Many humans, as humans, have needs they knead.   
   >>   
   >>>but also without knowing   
   >>>how.  Maybe it might be useful to know how to do these more difficult   
   >>>things.   
   >>   
   >>Strategies vary. What works once, twice, three times   
   >>might fail on the fourth attempt. Still one mite tries.   
   >>   
   >>Being still, a still mite knows.   
   >>   
   >>Beyond a singularity, mathematics and physics can't go.   
   >   
   >Oh, I suspect modern physics is far beyond that whether physicists   
   >know it or not.   
      
   What works, works. Effort is kneaded.   
   What works-without-working is easy.   
      
   >>- domains of a map's map may vary ...   
      
   - thanks again! Cheers!   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)