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   rt.schizophrenia   
   From: being@apolka.sign   
      
   Noah wrote:   
   > one wrote:   
   >> Noah wrote:   
   >>> one wrote:   
   >>>> Noah wrote:   
   >>>>> one wrote:   
   >>>>>> Noah wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>The rule of the universe is that all matter descends to total   
   >>>>>>>disorder.  Entropy must decrease.   
      
   Why must entropy decrease?   
      
   >>>>>>Lots of presumptions in those two statements.   
      
   Why say, descends?   
   Why assume total disorder isn't total order?   
      
   Given your understanding of entropy;   
   without additional energy added to a system,   
   doesn't entropy increase?   
      
   >>>>>Verifiable presumptions, based on mathematics and observation.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Usually, entropy increases, naturally, given: a type of system.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Entropy must decrease, if.   
   >>>   
   >>>There can be temporary diversions, but ultimately, it must go to zero.   
   >>   
   >>A form of heat-death might suggest an approach to absolute zero.   
   >>Why temperature can't reach zero is beyond me at this time.   
   >   
   >Humans experience atomic vibration as heat.   
      
   Assuming so-called humans, atomes, heat   
   and experience exist, naturally, okay.   
      
   >  Absolute zero is where   
   >atoms have stopped vibrating.   
      
   A point which is never reached, given: a theory.   
      
   >  It is possible to get very close to   
   >this in a lab, but there will always be some vibration seeping in. The   
   >problem is if you have an atom at absolute zero, what can you store it   
   >is that does not provide heat?   
      
   Why would one care to store an it   
   in an atom which does not exist?   
      
   Does a single atom ever exist?   
      
   An understanding of mine is, molecules exist.   
      
   To suppose a single say, gold atom exists   
   might be given, given: a periodic table of sorts.   
      
   Sorts are sorts, naturally.   
   People sort, carve and divide, to a point.   
      
   When a gold atom is divided, one is no longer gold.   
      
   Once upon a time, a golden lion was.   
   Said to be, all that is, it was such as it was.   
      
   Forms of it formed, all being gold.   
   The lion roared. Its ink blots blot   
   a mind which divides all things.   
      
   >But as Neil Tyson says, the universe is not obligated to make sense to   
   >you.   
      
   Astonishing to me, many so-called things are.   
   Processes as well well and dwell in a mind of mine.   
   More than one mine may be mined. Aye.   
      
   Knowing how things eat other things, how bizarre.   
   What's going on. Is there a what. Forms eating forms.   
   Digesting thought, thought waves wave. At me. Two me.   
      
   >>An impression of mine can have as a given: entropy increases.   
   >>Entropy increases until an equilibrium is reached. Heat-loss occurs.   
   >   
   >There is a sort of equilibrium or even a cycle right now.  But in some   
   >billions of years, the stars begin to die out, and the heat source is   
   >gone.  Then absolute zero can be reached.   
   >   
   >>To suppose a unverse, the Universe, exists can be supposed.   
   >>   
   >>To say it's full of matter and energy can be to say a difference   
   >>between matter, energy and the Universe is said to be.   
   >   
   >Actually, they seem to be two different forms of the same thing, like   
   >ice and water.  The universe is not obligated to make sense.  Why do   
   >mass and time change as speed increases?  No sense.   
      
   Light waves frequently.   
   One drops a pebble. Water waves.   
   All at once, two are not two. Two is knot.   
      
   >That does not mean we are entitled to say, there is no universe.   
      
   Categories are able to be invented   
   to describe, two map. Does a forest exist. Do trees.   
   From a pov, only atoms exist. From another, only chemistry.   
      
   >  We   
   >can say that the universe cannot be understood from our limited finite   
   >perspective.   
      
   Aye. We may agree.   
      
   > That does not mean there is no perspective from which it   
   >could be understood.   
      
   From a pov of some, thing in a fridge. We may chill.   
   Beer is a thing. It's enjoyed by a form of me.   
   What is this thing, me. What is a you.   
   Is you a who, and a form of me too.   
      
   >>To say the Universe is energy can be a saying.   
   >>   
   >>Matter is energy, solidified in ways as a phase is   
   >>shifted from and to, being divided by light-squared,   
   >>just as energy is matter multiplied by c-squared.   
   >>   
   >>The Universe matters as it is matter. It's what matters.   
   >>It's energetic as it is, pure energy. And some say there is   
   >>the invisible matter and the invisible energy which are   
   >>said to comprise most of what it is, said to be.   
   >>   
   >>Are they all the same, or different, one may wonder.   
   >>Is ice or steam different from an ocean as a notion.   
   >>Does the Universe contain its parts or is it 10k-things.   
   >>   
   >>Will it die a heat-death and its temperature approach zero   
   >>or will it go without going, expanding and contracting.   
   >   
   >It seems it expands but will not contract.  So we think.  That does   
   >not mean that such thinkings are without merit.   
      
   Observation. Observers. Nouns are observed.   
   Actions vary. At times a Zone is. Why carve. Why chop.   
      
   Given a given, reasons emerge, after the given is given.   
      
   Purpose may be presupposed. As if Existence were not prior.   
      
   Categories, invented, mapped.  Carving, chips fly. Imagine, hats.   
      
   >>Is it not you and you not it or   
   >>is it you and you are it, ore, refined over time.   
   >   
   >You are something the universe is doing right now, so said somebody or   
   >other.   
      
   To be the Universe as it unfolds, one may be One, all t'old.   
      
   Tales for the telling, stories built. Story up on story.   
   Buildings building civilizations arise. Artificial.   
   All natural.  Semantics. Contexts.   
   Fragments of the sentences   
   sentenced for a spell.   
      
   - smoke and mirrors, eye. Cheers!   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)