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   rt.schizophrenia   
   From: being@apolka.sign   
      
   Noah wrote:   
   > one wrote:   
   >>Noah wrote:   
   >>> one wrote:   
   >>>> Noah wrote:   
   >>>>> one wrote:   
   >>>>>> Noah wrote:   
   >>>>>>> one wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> Noah wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>The rule of the universe is that all matter descends to total   
   >>>>>>>>>disorder.  Entropy must decrease.   
   >>   
   >>Why must entropy decrease?   
   >   
   >Why must the speed of light be what it is?   
   >We don't get to know.   
      
   Point being, entropy increases, usually.   
      
   Maybe entropy must decrease when energy is added   
   to a system and more order of some sort occurs.   
      
   At light-speed, distance and duration are zero   
   from the pov of what ever-is at light-speed.   
   Photons arrive immediately, naturally.   
      
   Why must spacetime be space and time   
   when doing mathematics. Grids provide   
   Ways of measuring, of mapping, points.   
      
   Lines, planes, dimensions vary.   
      
   Phenomena appear to eyes that see,   
   to ears that hear, and other senses we   
   happen to have yet to ask why means   
   a carving has bins carved.   
      
   >>>>>>>>Lots of presumptions in those two statements.   
   >>   
   >>Why say, descends?   
   >>Why assume total disorder isn't total order?   
   >   
   >That is a matter of definition.  As long as we understand what the   
   >words mean, we can communicate.   
      
   Aye. Okay.   
      
   >>Given your understanding of entropy;   
   >>without additional energy added to a system,   
   >>doesn't entropy increase?   
   >   
   >No.  Without a reverse entropy system like the earth, entropy never   
   >increases.   
      
   My understanding of what the word means differs.   
      
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   >>>  It is possible to get very close to   
   >>>this in a lab, but there will always be some vibration seeping in. The   
   >>>problem is if you have an atom at absolute zero, what can you store it   
   >>>is that does not provide heat?   
   >>   
   >>Why would one care to store an it   
   >>in an atom which does not exist?   
   >   
   >Single atoms can exist.  It is a lot easier to cool one than a   
   >million.   
      
   Single atoms do appear to be able to be made in a lab   
   beyond oratory, naturally. Thanks!   
      
   Research indicates some individual, single, atoms   
   that are not in molecular form are able to form,   
   or be, as the case may be. Thanks again!   
      
   >>Does a single atom ever exist?   
   >>   
   >>An understanding of mine is, molecules exist.   
      
   Archaic is a thought wave at times.   
   Learning new information is fun for me.   
      
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   >>>>An impression of mine can have as a given: entropy increases.   
   >>>>Entropy increases until an equilibrium is reached. Heat-loss occurs.   
   >>>   
   >>>There is a sort of equilibrium or even a cycle right now.  But in some   
   >>>billions of years, the stars begin to die out, and the heat source is   
   >>>gone.  Then absolute zero can be reached.   
      
   Absolute zero is never going to happen   
   according to some theories. The lowest will be   
   about 10 to the minus 30 kelvin.   
      
   >>>>To suppose a unverse, the Universe, exists can be supposed.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>To say it's full of matter and energy can be to say a difference   
   >>>>between matter, energy and the Universe is said to be.   
   >>>   
   >>>Actually, they seem to be two different forms of the same thing, like   
   >>>ice and water.  The universe is not obligated to make sense.  Why do   
   >>>mass and time change as speed increases?  No sense.   
   ...snip response...   
   >>>That does not mean we are entitled to say, there is no universe.   
      
   Nouns are fun things   
   and even more fun when they're places and   
   the most at times is as people.   
      
   To say, the Universe is full of things   
   might suggest that it is not the things. That the things   
   are somehow other than and separate from, it.   
      
   Being all things, as a whole, it exists.   
   Being only the things, it doesn't exist.   
   There are only the things, their selves.   
      
   So too with a forest. One may say one exists.   
   Another may say nay, only trees exist. Forest is   
   a category word. And one may suggest so are trees.   
      
   What entitles some one to say what one says to a point   
   can be to point. When all the stars and galaxies are   
   no longer what they were for a time, when only   
   dark, xuan, mysterious matter and energy   
   are what is a round to it, what is it then,   
   this Universe thing. Nothing. Kinda sorta.   
      
   Full of empty dark matter.   
   Unless all that is gone as well.   
   Full of empty dark energy expanding.   
   Space, for all time, spacetime, going nowhere.   
   Being the one thing, invisible energy, we shall be.   
      
   >>Categories are able to be invented   
   >>to describe, two map. Does a forest exist. Do trees.   
   >   
   >It really doesn't matter.   
      
   To a forester they may.   
      
   > Trees are part of the landscape in which we   
   >find ourselves.  It is useful to talk about them.  Not useful to   
   >suppose they do not exist, regardless of what non-material wisdom   
   >says.   
      
   Are trees in a forest singular beings or   
   do they play a part in a great unfolding of being   
   along with mycelium, birds and bees. A single organism   
   a forest might be seen. Earth as well such as She is.   
      
   - and peoples her self with ...   
      
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