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   rt.schizophrenia   
   From: being@apolka.sign   
      
   Noah wrote:   
   > one wrote:   
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   >>>>>> Noah wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>> Noah wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>The rule of the universe is that all matter descends to total   
   >>>>>>>>>>>disorder.  Entropy must decrease.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Why must entropy decrease?   
   >>>   
   >>>Why must the speed of light be what it is?   
   >>>We don't get to know.   
   >>   
   >>Point being, entropy increases, usually.   
      
   When sugar or salt dissolves, entropy increases.   
   Generally speaking, entropy is said to usually increase.   
      
   >>Maybe entropy must decrease when energy is added   
   >>to a system and more order of some sort occurs.   
   >>   
   >>At light-speed, distance and duration are zero   
   >>from the pov of what ever-is at light-speed.   
   >>Photons arrive immediately, naturally.   
   >>   
   >>Why must spacetime be space and time   
   >>when doing mathematics. Grids provide   
   >>Ways of measuring, of mapping, points.   
   >   
   >Why why?  Isn't it enough to know what?   
      
   Asking for a why presumes a what. To ask what, carves.   
   To presume a what, a noun, may stem from language.   
      
   > You are lucky to know that much.   
      
   Aye. Knowledge may breed funny quest-   
   ions as charged as they go like knights of a realm.   
      
   >There are fish in the river if you wish, and rabbits in the field.   
   >But keep milk in the refrigerator or your wife will accuse you of not   
   >caring for your child.   
      
   Growing old, some Taoists were alone. Hermits. Reclusive   
   ones among the many who were philosophically amusing.   
      
   Confucians took life more serious. Rules, regulations, rites   
   and music to be played lost their joy of playing simply   
   to play for a time being too serious, naturally.   
      
   >>Lines, planes, dimensions vary.   
   >   
   >If they can be proven.   
      
   Axoims tend to be taken for granted.   
   Theorems follow from postulates. By definition, a point   
   might be defined as having zero dimensions.   
      
   A line, as a given, connects two points.   
   A line of reason moves to another dimension.   
      
   Presumptions, e.g. a what, a phenomenon, observed   
   could be taken for granted without asking why it is.   
      
   Is it natural. Is it artificial. Does it have a name.   
   What is it. Two begin width. A form of a line.   
      
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   >>>>Given your understanding of entropy;   
   >>>>without additional energy added to a system,   
   >>>>doesn't entropy increase?   
   >>>   
   >>>No.  Without a reverse entropy system like the earth, entropy never   
   >>>increases.   
   >>   
   >>My understanding of what the word means differs.   
   >   
   >Although it can come loaded with potential straight from the sun and   
   >descend from there.   
      
   A form of life, assuming such an it exists, has little entropy   
   compared to when in death, as a form of death, the form decays.   
      
   When a body decays, its entropy increases.   
   When order, so-called, turns to disorder, entropy increases.   
      
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   >>>>>>An impression of mine can have as a given: entropy increases.   
   >>>>>>Entropy increases until an equilibrium is reached. Heat-loss occurs.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>There is a sort of equilibrium or even a cycle right now.  But in some   
   >>>>>billions of years, the stars begin to die out, and the heat source is   
   >>>>>gone.  Then absolute zero can be reached.   
   >>   
   >>Absolute zero is never going to happen   
   >>according to some theories. The lowest will be   
   >>about 10 to the minus 30 kelvin.   
   >   
   >In that case you get to chose your favorite theory.  But that does not   
   >discount the usefulness of theorying.   
      
   Theories are fun, ore cans be.   
   Take Intelligent Design for example.   
   A physicist might insist, it isn't a scientific one.   
      
   To suppose a purpose exists, for existence,   
   might be similar to presuming Life exists, with its forms.   
   One may assume Death exists and the gods are born.   
      
   Science worked, given its method, and the gods died.   
   One remains and hangs by a hair in the minds of sum.   
      
   Going only so far as a form of mathematics allows,   
   what was prior to the Singularity, the Big Bang, is   
   beyond a reach of a reacher reaching a point.   
      
   Why was it. Why is it. What's the reason, the purpose.   
   Does a noun-thing, Life, exist. What about Death.   
      
   Are not all forms of Life actually forms of Death?   
   Is Earth or the Universe alive? Conscious? Does Mother Nature   
   care and watch a sparrow fall from the sky and know why?   
      
   >>>>>>To suppose a unverse, the Universe, exists can be supposed.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>To say it's full of matter and energy can be to say a difference   
   >>>>>>between matter, energy and the Universe is said to be.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Actually, they seem to be two different forms of the same thing, like   
   >>>>>ice and water.  The universe is not obligated to make sense.  Why do   
   >>>>>mass and time change as speed increases?  No sense.   
   >>...snip response...   
   >>>>>That does not mean we are entitled to say, there is no universe.   
   >>   
   >>Nouns are fun things   
   >>and even more fun when they're places and   
   >>the most at times is as people.   
   >>   
   >>To say, the Universe is full of things   
   >>might suggest that it is not the things. That the things   
   >>are somehow other than and separate from, it.   
   >   
   >I recommend that you do not say that.   
      
   No duality today, eh.   
      
   >>Being all things, as a whole, it exists.   
   >>Being only the things, it doesn't exist.   
   >>There are only the things, their selves.   
   >>   
   >>So too with a forest. One may say one exists.   
   >>Another may say nay, only trees exist. Forest is   
   >>a category word. And one may suggest so are trees.   
   >   
   >There is far less confusion if when it becomes necessary to talk about   
   >a tree   
   >or   
   >trees   
   >or   
   >a forest   
   >   
   >We know these differences, it is not necessary to confuse yourself.   
      
   Aye. To ask, why, why, why, for the reason, a reason   
   might be a good question when a problem occurs.   
      
   Where's the milk, for example.   
   Why is it all gone or sour.   
      
   Is more milk possible or did the climate change   
   suddenly and without notice. The fridge died.   
   The grid was overloaded and now look!   
   Look at what people have done!   
      
   Oh m'eye.   
      
   >>What entitles some one to say what one says to a point   
   >>can be to point. When all the stars and galaxies are   
   >>no longer what they were for a time, when only   
   >>dark, xuan, mysterious matter and energy   
   >>are what is a round to it, what is it then,   
   >>this Universe thing. Nothing. Kinda sorta.   
   >   
   >And huge chunks of rock, which is not nothing.   
      
   Entropy increases until protons dissolve.   
   Rocks evaporated long before then.   
   All there will be expansion, faster than light.   
   Spacetime's geometry, with no matter in it will have bit   
   what is no longer dust in the wind. There won't be a breeze.   
      
   A trillion years is a drop in a bucket.   
   Ten to the 100 years, if protons decay.   
   People will have gone from thinking they are.   
   Their bodies no longer. Or will they? Are they bodies?   
      
   Were they their bodies or did they have bodies   
   as vehicles for some other form of mysterious, xuan,   
   dark energy which is the stuff, most of all of it   
   that the Universe is said to be unmade of.   
      
   >>Full of empty dark matter.   
   >>Unless all that is gone as well.   
      
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