XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.supp   
   rt.schizophrenia   
   From: being@apolka.sign   
      
   Noah wrote:   
   > one wondered:   
   >>Noah wrote:   
   >>> one wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>For ten thousand years the hemisphere was pristine.   
   >>>   
   >>>It is as if humans have become self aware sometime between then and   
   >>>now.  Then it did not matter what humans did, nature was able to   
   >>>absorb it all because humans were so few.   
   >>   
   >>Perhaps.   
   >>Maybe, as nomads, they knew   
   >>what to do and what not to do to excess.   
   >>   
   >>Whether they were happier, living as nomads   
   >>was a question. Could be their moods were as mine are.   
   >   
   >Struggling to overcome early death and the chewing of lions.  Grieving   
   >since they cannot succeed in these efforts.   
   >   
   >Perhaps not happier, but not subject to the consequences of   
   >destructive successes.   
      
   I'm happy living in today's world.   
      
   A thought was, as a young man, that to live off the land   
   in South America would be grand. Simply eat what grew   
   naturally. Seamed ideal. Then a friend who'd lived there   
   said, such a life is not easy on the digestive system.   
      
   >>In the morning full of energy, life is good. After a nap,   
   >>my energy is not as great and takes a while to return.   
   >   
   >>Some days are better than others.   
   >>With no plans and nothing to do, my joy is high.   
   >>Having things to do, responsibilities and obligations, not so much.   
   >>   
   >>>These days, humans know that ecosystems can be harmed, can die.  And   
   >>>we know (some of us know) that humans in their billions can cause   
   >>>that.   
   >>   
   >>Did ancient people sweep their dirt floors clean.   
   >   
   >Probably not so much, since they had not learned the modern obsession   
   >with cleanliness.   
      
   Did they live near a stream, or need to carry water to a camp   
   where they camped until moving to some other place   
   to place what few items they had, if any.   
      
   Little kids might have been full of energy, bliss and   
   without consciousness of good and bad seeing   
   as how they didn't eat that Tree metaphorically.   
      
   Sat-chit-ananda depicts a Hindu myth.   
   Tat-vam-asi could be another one could be.   
      
   >>Did they know what it means to be high-tech or low-tech.   
   >   
   >Hemp broom instead of straw?  I'm sure they were not overwhelmed by   
   >that.   
      
   Did they smoke, eat 'shrooms and know   
   they are gods or God or Mother Nature   
   Her own self. Did their shamans cure   
   their ills, assuming they had them.   
      
   >>Did children play without a care. Without concern for the future.   
   >   
   >As they do now.   
      
   So, little children, to them may belong a paradise.   
   Forms of Paradise might be viewed as being Reality.   
      
   That is unless and until one is consumed by knowing   
   bad, and good, right from wrong and one is left   
   kicked out of the Garden sewing two speak.   
      
   >>>So it is time to choose.  Do humans forget it all, mumbling about   
   >>>non-material wisdom.  Or do they forget it all, mumbling about the   
   >>>most luxurious way to ride to work?  Or do they do something about   
   >>>dying ecosystems?   
   >>   
   >>When ocean levels rise, people on the coasts move inside the land   
   >>where they land for a spell until another option is available.   
   >>When weather is rough they batten down hatches.   
   >>   
   >>Some may try to stem the tide.   
   >>Some will go along for the ride.   
   >>   
   >>In a short run, with less carbon spewed by them,   
   >>they may feel proud of an accomplishment. Then the ice, sheets   
   >>of glaciers moving down from the poles will consume cities   
   >>to a far north or south and they'll wonder, gee, it may   
   >>be global warming wasn't such a bad idea.   
   >   
   >You assume that ecosystems will fluctuate as before and not die.   
      
   Ecosystems have died ever since being carved   
   out of a larger system naturally. Eons give and pave Ways.   
   Eras erase what was prior and will be erased by the next era.   
      
   >>>>Naturally natural oar did they sew it seams.   
   >>>>Weaving and boating, fishing rivers and lands   
   >>>>were vast, unencumbered by cities full of cars.   
   >>>   
   >>>There seeming to be no way to go back to vast rivers and lands.   
   >>   
   >>After the next period of glaciation, when cities are razed   
   >>and people are amazed at how little control they had,   
   >>vast rivers and lands will return, naturally.   
   >   
   >This is your dream.  Rest in that.  Perhaps it might sorta maybe come   
   >true.   
      
   Icy Taoism freezes water. How to describe the ancients   
   a Tao Te Ching may advise caution. As when crossing a stream   
   of thought frozen in winter. When one thought siezes   
   a time being in its being, disasters loom, at times.   
      
   Tao Chia, Taoist philosophy, may be geared to flow   
   without having any cogs nor being a machine for   
   an individual and point to how a society may   
   be for the best when left alone.   
      
   Trying to fix what are viewed as problems   
   may induce other problems going unseen   
   until the emerge on the scene and then   
   to fix those problems, sew an it goes.   
      
   Buddhism could offer advice.   
   How to see coins like desire/suffering.   
   How to stop a train of thought in its tracks.   
      
   - assuming one can imagines that ... of worms, etc ...   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)