XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.supp   
   rt.schizophrenia   
   From: being@apolka.sign   
      
   Noah wrote:   
   > one wrote:   
      
   >>I'm happy living in today's world.   
   >>   
   >>A thought was, as a young man, that to live off the land   
   >>in South America would be grand. Simply eat what grew   
   >>naturally. Seamed ideal. Then a friend who'd lived there   
   >>said, such a life is not easy on the digestive system.   
   >   
   >It is true, it would not be grand, would require more sacrifice than   
   >is acceptable to most.  That does not mean that ecosystems can stand   
   >us much longer.   
      
   Who your, us, is, is   
   given your parsing of you and yours   
   as a collective. Perhaps you will be or will   
   not be assimilated. Naturally. Ore knots. Veins vary.   
      
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   >>>>>These days, humans know that ecosystems can be harmed, can die.  And   
   >>>>>we know (some of us know) that humans in their billions can cause   
   >>>>>that.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Did ancient people sweep their dirt floors clean.   
   >>>   
   >>>Probably not so much, since they had not learned the modern obsession   
   >>>with cleanliness.   
   >>   
   >>Did they live near a stream, or need to carry water to a camp   
   >>where they camped until moving to some other place   
   >>to place what few items they had, if any.   
   >   
   >They would not notice the inconvenience, since it was all they knew.   
   >Us lately, know easier ways.   
      
   You appear to have a plural sense of nouns   
   going on in some fraction of your brain, assuming   
   your heart is not in on the paradigm you contain.   
      
   Speaking of we, us, they and them, an it occurs   
   to me of all people assuming, aye, am one of them.   
      
   You are, as a being. You exist. As an it. You   
   as a third-person singular could be called a form   
   of a singularity, as a wave-form collapses up on its elf.   
      
   Are you a form of Life?   
   Are you a form of Being?   
      
   Perhaps you and yours are a form of a Species.   
   Gold occurs at this time in a mind of mine to mine.   
      
   Forms of gold vary. Gold remains the same.   
   Some is pure. Some is refined. Times change.   
      
   Ore knots and to oar knots verbs are   
   sentenced in sentences to complete a thought.   
      
   Do we exist. When us are, they is. It is.   
   To divide, words dew and condense.   
   Thought patterns pattern there.   
   Selves emerge, naturally.   
      
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   >>>>Did they know what it means to be high-tech or low-tech.   
   >>>   
   >>>Hemp broom instead of straw?  I'm sure they were not overwhelmed by   
   >>>that.   
   >>   
   >>Did they smoke, eat 'shrooms and know   
   >>they are gods or God or Mother Nature   
   >>Her own self. Did their shamans cure   
   >>their ills, assuming they had them.   
   >   
   >Not very effectively.  Ill's were not there so they could be cured,   
   >even though humans were required to wish it.   
      
   People suffer. People cling. Static   
   electricity. Ionization. Identities vary.   
      
   What would a buddha do.   
   Soteriologies vary.   
      
   >>>>Did children play without a care. Without concern for the future.   
   >>>   
   >>>As they do now.   
   >>   
   >>So, little children, to them may belong a paradise.   
   >>Forms of Paradise might be viewed as being Reality.   
   >   
   >Little children don't know the difference.   
      
   Aye. The bark of the Tree is advised to be   
   untouched and yet, naturally, people touch it.   
      
   People judge. People divide.   
   Assuming people are. Presumptions vary.   
      
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   >>>>>So it is time to choose.  Do humans forget it all, mumbling about   
   >>>>>non-material wisdom.  Or do they forget it all, mumbling about the   
   >>>>>most luxurious way to ride to work?  Or do they do something about   
   >>>>>dying ecosystems?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>When ocean levels rise, people on the coasts move inside the land   
   >>>>where they land for a spell until another option is available.   
   >>>>When weather is rough they batten down hatches.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Some may try to stem the tide.   
   >>>>Some will go along for the ride.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>In a short run, with less carbon spewed by them,   
   >>>>they may feel proud of an accomplishment. Then the ice, sheets   
   >>>>of glaciers moving down from the poles will consume cities   
   >>>>to a far north or south and they'll wonder, gee, it may   
   >>>>be global warming wasn't such a bad idea.   
   >>>   
   >>>You assume that ecosystems will fluctuate as before and not die.   
   >>   
   >>Ecosystems have died ever since being carved   
   >>out of a larger system naturally. Eons give and pave Ways.   
   >>Eras erase what was prior and will be erased by the next era.   
   >   
   >Never died.  Even though things did change from time to time.   
      
   So, ecosystems never die.   
   Ecosystems change, as your thought patterns, and remain.   
      
   >>>>>>Naturally natural oar did they sew it seams.   
   >>>>>>Weaving and boating, fishing rivers and lands   
   >>>>>>were vast, unencumbered by cities full of cars.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>There seeming to be no way to go back to vast rivers and lands.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>After the next period of glaciation, when cities are razed   
   >>>>and people are amazed at how little control they had,   
   >>>>vast rivers and lands will return, naturally.   
   >>>   
   >>>This is your dream.  Rest in that.  Perhaps it might sorta maybe come   
   >>>true.   
   >>   
   >>Icy Taoism freezes water. How to describe the ancients   
   >>a Tao Te Ching may advise caution. As when crossing a stream   
   >>of thought frozen in winter. When one thought siezes   
   >>a time being in its being, disasters loom, at times.   
   >>   
   >>Tao Chia, Taoist philosophy, may be geared to flow   
   >>without having any cogs nor being a machine for   
   >>an individual and point to how a society may   
   >>be for the best when left alone.   
   >>   
   >>Trying to fix what are viewed as problems   
   >>may induce other problems going unseen   
   >>until the emerge on the scene and then   
   >>to fix those problems, sew an it goes.   
   >   
   >All true.  The thing we know is that the problem we refused to fix   
   >fearing this or that, remains unfixed.   
      
   What problem?   
      
   Does your we have a problem? A tribble? Do you?   
      
   >>Buddhism could offer advice.   
   >>How to see coins like desire/suffering.   
   >>How to stop a train of thought in its tracks.   
   >   
   >All good in the non-material realm.   
      
   Realms vary. When material ones exist, sew two.   
   Metaphysical realms are as wells. Depths vary.   
      
   >>- assuming one can imagines that ... of worms, etc ...   
      
   - thanks again! Cheers!   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)