XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.supp   
   rt.schizophrenia   
   From: fedora@fea.st   
      
   On Sat, 17 Jul 2021 07:46:42 -0700, one  wrote:   
      
   >Noah wrote:   
   >> one wrote:   
   >   
   >>>I'm happy living in today's world.   
   >>>   
   >>>A thought was, as a young man, that to live off the land   
   >>>in South America would be grand. Simply eat what grew   
   >>>naturally. Seamed ideal. Then a friend who'd lived there   
   >>>said, such a life is not easy on the digestive system.   
   >>   
   >>It is true, it would not be grand, would require more sacrifice than   
   >>is acceptable to most.  That does not mean that ecosystems can stand   
   >>us much longer.   
   >   
   >Who your, us, is, is   
   >given your parsing of you and yours   
   >as a collective. Perhaps you will be or will   
   >not be assimilated. Naturally. Ore knots. Veins vary.   
      
   I say humanity, people, etc as often as I can remember.   
      
   >   
   >... snip ...   
   >   
   >>>>>>These days, humans know that ecosystems can be harmed, can die.  And   
   >>>>>>we know (some of us know) that humans in their billions can cause   
   >>>>>>that.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Did ancient people sweep their dirt floors clean.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Probably not so much, since they had not learned the modern obsession   
   >>>>with cleanliness.   
   >>>   
   >>>Did they live near a stream, or need to carry water to a camp   
   >>>where they camped until moving to some other place   
   >>>to place what few items they had, if any.   
   >>   
   >>They would not notice the inconvenience, since it was all they knew.   
   >>Us lately, know easier ways.   
   >   
   >You appear to have a plural sense of nouns   
   >going on in some fraction of your brain, assuming   
   >your heart is not in on the paradigm you contain.   
   >   
   >Speaking of we, us, they and them, an it occurs   
   >to me of all people assuming, aye, am one of them.   
   >   
   >You are, as a being. You exist. As an it. You   
   >as a third-person singular could be called a form   
   >of a singularity, as a wave-form collapses up on its elf.   
   >   
   >Are you a form of Life?   
   >Are you a form of Being?   
   >   
   >Perhaps you and yours are a form of a Species.   
   >Gold occurs at this time in a mind of mine to mine.   
   >   
   >Forms of gold vary. Gold remains the same.   
   >Some is pure. Some is refined. Times change.   
   >   
   >Ore knots and to oar knots verbs are   
   >sentenced in sentences to complete a thought.   
   >   
   >Do we exist. When us are, they is. It is.   
   >To divide, words dew and condense.   
   >Thought patterns pattern there.   
   >Selves emerge, naturally.   
   >   
   >... snip ...   
   >   
   >>>>>Did they know what it means to be high-tech or low-tech.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Hemp broom instead of straw?  I'm sure they were not overwhelmed by   
   >>>>that.   
   >>>   
   >>>Did they smoke, eat 'shrooms and know   
   >>>they are gods or God or Mother Nature   
   >>>Her own self. Did their shamans cure   
   >>>their ills, assuming they had them.   
   >>   
   >>Not very effectively.  Ill's were not there so they could be cured,   
   >>even though humans were required to wish it.   
   >   
   >People suffer. People cling. Static   
   >electricity. Ionization. Identities vary.   
   >   
   >What would a buddha do.   
   >Soteriologies vary.   
   >   
   >>>>>Did children play without a care. Without concern for the future.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>As they do now.   
   >>>   
   >>>So, little children, to them may belong a paradise.   
   >>>Forms of Paradise might be viewed as being Reality.   
   >>   
   >>Little children don't know the difference.   
   >   
   >Aye. The bark of the Tree is advised to be   
   >untouched and yet, naturally, people touch it.   
   >   
   >People judge. People divide.   
   >Assuming people are. Presumptions vary.   
   >   
   >... snip ...   
   >>>>>>So it is time to choose.  Do humans forget it all, mumbling about   
   >>>>>>non-material wisdom.  Or do they forget it all, mumbling about the   
   >>>>>>most luxurious way to ride to work?  Or do they do something about   
   >>>>>>dying ecosystems?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>When ocean levels rise, people on the coasts move inside the land   
   >>>>>where they land for a spell until another option is available.   
   >>>>>When weather is rough they batten down hatches.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Some may try to stem the tide.   
   >>>>>Some will go along for the ride.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>In a short run, with less carbon spewed by them,   
   >>>>>they may feel proud of an accomplishment. Then the ice, sheets   
   >>>>>of glaciers moving down from the poles will consume cities   
   >>>>>to a far north or south and they'll wonder, gee, it may   
   >>>>>be global warming wasn't such a bad idea.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>You assume that ecosystems will fluctuate as before and not die.   
   >>>   
   >>>Ecosystems have died ever since being carved   
   >>>out of a larger system naturally. Eons give and pave Ways.   
   >>>Eras erase what was prior and will be erased by the next era.   
   >>   
   >>Never died.  Even though things did change from time to time.   
   >   
   >So, ecosystems never die.   
   >Ecosystems change, as your thought patterns, and remain.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>Naturally natural oar did they sew it seams.   
   >>>>>>>Weaving and boating, fishing rivers and lands   
   >>>>>>>were vast, unencumbered by cities full of cars.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>There seeming to be no way to go back to vast rivers and lands.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>After the next period of glaciation, when cities are razed   
   >>>>>and people are amazed at how little control they had,   
   >>>>>vast rivers and lands will return, naturally.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>This is your dream.  Rest in that.  Perhaps it might sorta maybe come   
   >>>>true.   
   >>>   
   >>>Icy Taoism freezes water. How to describe the ancients   
   >>>a Tao Te Ching may advise caution. As when crossing a stream   
   >>>of thought frozen in winter. When one thought siezes   
   >>>a time being in its being, disasters loom, at times.   
   >>>   
   >>>Tao Chia, Taoist philosophy, may be geared to flow   
   >>>without having any cogs nor being a machine for   
   >>>an individual and point to how a society may   
   >>>be for the best when left alone.   
   >>>   
   >>>Trying to fix what are viewed as problems   
   >>>may induce other problems going unseen   
   >>>until the emerge on the scene and then   
   >>>to fix those problems, sew an it goes.   
   >>   
   >>All true.  The thing we know is that the problem we refused to fix   
   >>fearing this or that, remains unfixed.   
   >   
   >What problem?   
   >   
   >Does your we have a problem? A tribble? Do you?   
   >   
   >>>Buddhism could offer advice.   
   >>>How to see coins like desire/suffering.   
   >>>How to stop a train of thought in its tracks.   
   >>   
   >>All good in the non-material realm.   
   >   
   >Realms vary. When material ones exist, sew two.   
   >Metaphysical realms are as wells. Depths vary.   
   >   
   >>>- assuming one can imagines that ... of worms, etc ...   
   >   
   >- thanks again! Cheers!   
   --   
   Noah Sombrero   
      
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