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   rt.schizophrenia   
   From: fedora@fea.st   
      
   On Sat, 17 Jul 2021 08:04:00 -0700, one  wrote:   
      
   >Noah wrote:   
   >> one wrote:   
   >>> Noah wrote:   
   >>>> one wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>>Growing old, some Taoists were alone. Hermits. Reclusive   
   >>>>>ones among the many who were philosophically amusing.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Not caring for children having no wives, does not mean that their   
   >>>>perspective was superior to those who have such   
   >>>   
   >>>When Chuang-tzu's wife died, his friend, Huizi, found him, Zz   
   >>>banging on pots and pans and having a great time.   
   >>>How could you, Huizi asked. She was the   
   >>>mother of your kids. Why are you   
   >>>not mourning, grieving, etc.   
   >>>   
   >>>Zz explained his philosophy,   
   >>>given: a Daoist tale.   
   >>   
   >>Which does not mean there was no joy in it for him.  There is also the   
   >>story of the master whose son died.  The master weeps inconsolably.   
   >>But didn't you tell us that all is illusion, his students ask.  Yes,   
   >>the master says, but he was such a beautiful illusion.   
   >>   
   >>It might be that these stories are more to make a point than a   
   >>recounting of actual events.   
   >   
   >Actually, percept-   
   >ions of events, so-called sew   
   >seeds of discontent when promulgated.   
   >   
   >From a pov, one is.   
   >From a pov, many are.   
   >Given a point, a view emerges.   
   >   
   >Language may suggest if not dictate, one is, you are, they, us,   
   >we and, then, suddenly or gradually an ecosystem is. Eco-   
   >systems are. Are they one. Is there One. Is there a   
   >sum of all purposes equal to the, the Purpose.   
   >   
   >Thought fragments what, actual, is. Actuals   
   >are as events unfold. Carvings of what is Uncarved   
   >as an entire tea ceremony takes place given a space and time.   
   >   
   >Some brains might take trains   
   >of thought to the future, to the past,   
   >forgetting the present as a gift which unfolds.   
   >   
   >Here. Now, Herenow you are.   
   >Reading this. These words. Reality.   
   >To imagine the future. Civilization. Ecosystems.   
   >Cutting one may, Prehaps you dew and thought condenses.   
   >   
   >>>>>Confucians took life more serious. Rules, regulations, rites   
   >>>>>and music to be played lost their joy of playing simply   
   >>>>>to play for a time being too serious, naturally.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Wives and children do not loose their joy making if played well.   
   >>>   
   >>>A point was how rules and regulations may confuse   
   >>>one's innate or natural inclinations. Freedom can be   
   >>>a point of interest. How to be and/or stay free.   
   >>   
   >>There will be no joy in your family relations if they are a matter of   
   >>rules and regulations for you.   
   >   
   >Aye at times. And yet, obligations may bless   
   >me of all people going and doing, none-the-less.   
   >   
   >>>Taoism contrasts with Confucianism.   
   >>>Buddhism contrasts with Hinduism in a Way.   
   >>>   
   >>>To suppose there is a self, an individual entity who   
   >>>reincarnates on the Wheel of Eighty-four, samsara may   
   >>>be problematic for some minds. No escape for those then.   
   >>>   
   >>>Yet without a permanent self, problem solved.   
   >>>While a body, be it a wife or a child, is born, dies   
   >>>and might be viewed as a reincarnation of a sort,   
   >>>without a self, a paradigm shifts. Shapes vary.   
   >>   
   >>But it might be ok to mourn the beautiful illusion.   
   >   
   >Zz stopped mourning. He mourned. Then he stopped.   
   >Aye. Me of all people being one, am involved.   
   >Evolution, to evolve, to not identify   
   >at times may solve a problem.   
   >   
   >You'd appeared to appear to a form of me   
   >as saying hunting and gathering was better than   
   >civilization as it is at present.   
      
   I did not suggest that you and I might experience it as better, except   
   for being in tune with expectations built into the human brain so far   
   evolved.  But certainly better for the systems that without which we   
   could no longer live.   
      
   >You seamed. You lamented   
   >how destruction of ecosystems by your species who people   
   >a planet, Earth, are to blame. Aye. To figure whether   
   >the weather, the climate, can be changed.   
      
   Has been changed already.  Could be that some study at university   
   would help you understand how that is happening.   
      
   >To reverse a process. Taoism, Tao Chia, may   
   >suggest, don't try. Simply be. Leave the world alone.   
      
   Right, if humans have left the world alone in the past, they continue   
   to do so in the future.   
      
   >Tis a pov. A topic of a newsgroup. A chapter in the Chuang-tzu.   
   >   
   >https://terebess.hu/english/chuangtzu1.html#11   
   >   
   ><< I HAVE HEARD OF LETTING the world be, of leaving it alone;   
   >               I have never heard of governing the world. >>   
   >   
   >Contexts may be rulers when semantics are at play.   
   >   
   >- hm6of1   
   --   
   Noah Sombrero   
      
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