From: slider@anashram.com   
      
   still barkin' instead of reasoning wrote...   
      
   >  slider wrote:   
   >> gettin' more direct in his old age haha wrote...   
   >   
   > ha!   you should have seen me about 40 years ago.   
   > Your head would be torn off by now,  lol!   
      
   ### - yeah, you keep making such veiled threats innit, wants to rip me a   
   new one eh?   
      
   so lol wtf did i ever do to... you??   
      
      
      
      
   >> ### - that WAS my response! and says it all really? (i didn't even   
   >> change   
   >> the subject)   
   >   
   > That was your silly shit reaction you mean.   
   > You're still acting like a 'gull'.   
      
   ### - the fact that you didn't understand my response isn't exactly my   
   fault haha, there was a time when i used to go to exorbitant lengths to   
   explain and break things down for ya, showed ya every consideration etc,   
   but that time has now passed (since ya told me to fuck of that is lol) and   
   so from now on you'll just have to take it as it comes pal regardless of   
   your shitty cynical mood painting everything black... perhaps if you   
   weren't so goddamn self-important you wouldn't get so angry huh, there's   
   no room for big indignant egos here ya know ;)   
      
      
      
      
   >> i.e., stop livin' the past bud, like that was now more than 20 fuckin'   
   >> YEARS ago already!? (20 years wow)   
   >   
   > i'm right here, right now motherfucker.   
   > Show me your evidence of what YOU got, ok?   
   > You got nothing,  no proof whatsoever.   
      
   ### - proof of what already, that you're still pissing & moaning about how   
   big bad cc ripped you and everyone off? oh poor little youuuu LOL !   
   (crackin' up laffing at mr chips feelin' sooo sorry for himself haha...   
   poor baby syndrome!)   
      
      
      
      
   >> so no one gives a shit about that OLD cult you once belonged to by now   
   >> huh...   
   >   
   > i didn't belong to nothing.   so you can kiss my ass.   
      
   ### - you belonged so why deny it? were even part of his 'special' sunday   
   classes weren't you? one of the inner in-crowd? didn't belong my ass lol,   
   are you REALLY that ashamed to admit it?? :)))   
      
      
      
   >> it's all moved-on quite a lot since then and such regrets are lame...   
   >   
   > there's no fucking regrets here.   I moved on way before he croaked.   
      
   ### - your current anger and resentment belies your denial? plus i clearly   
   remember you well before he died, how you were and how you held   
   yourself... and you seemed to be doin' alright sitting under cc's shadow   
   hah, imho he was actually good for ya! you were making quite the sincere   
   effort to be a decent human being! i even still recall our very first   
   encounter in that nagual chatroom haha... you were so self-possessed and   
   even kinda dashing heh, and also quite generous to invite a total stranger   
   (moi) to come to 'this' place to see what's going down here, haha i was   
   impressed and liked ya straight away, and that's why i came :)))   
      
      
      
      
   >> try and live in the present a bit more, or didn't you learn your   
   >> lesson??   
   >   
   > save your speech for a naive newager.    I got your lesson right here   
   > pally.   
      
   ### - the 'lesson' you were given (via cc) re belonging to cults and how   
   they operate ya fool lol, don't be so dense! your anger (i.e.,   
   self-importance) is blinding you to what am actually saying heh, just take   
   'you' outta the equation and all will become clear :)))   
      
      
      
      
   >> that it's the cult of 'society' ya gots to try and get out of now! (the   
   >> mofo of all cults)   
   >   
   > don't be fucking stupid.   If you knew anything about how cult operates   
   > you would be embarrassed to hell.   
      
   ### - already told ya that my 'real' daddy was part of the team that   
   helped deprogram the jim jones cult survivors, didn't i? well then,   
   methinks i might just know something about how cults operate, which afaic   
   is exactly the same as how society works too - or where ELSE did ya think   
   they gots it all from in the first place if not from how society itself   
   operates?? duh! (you're a little slow sometime ain'tcha huh)   
      
   al capone, for example, complained that he was only doin' what 'they'   
   (society) was doing?   
      
   it's all the same thing in many forms twisted this way or the other, see?   
   )   
      
      
      
      
   > so the guy that still thinks wake induced dream are WILD   
   > and not really out of body experiences?    Is that right coach?   
      
   ### - i have no idea... i didn't invent the term 'WILD' - laberge did?   
      
   my personal opinion (and am only speculating here) is that it's actually   
   all the same thing albeit approached from different angles, thus seemingly   
   producing different effects that people have then called/labeled one thing   
   or another...   
      
   the practice of WILDing, however, reveals aspects of the whole thing that   
   suggests it's all actually only the same effect/thing: an inbuilt natural   
   ability to enter at-will and on demand into an altered state of awareness   
   (you've even experienced it your self 3 or 4 times now so no need for moi   
   to describe it) something which to all extents and purposes appears like   
   being in a lucid dreaming state, the difference with WILDs being the   
   'extra' options that are also available (such as there being a midway   
   point) that doesn't appear to be available via those others forms/modes...   
   iow: WILDs in and of themselves are more revealing about the whole nature   
   of lucid dreaming and states of altered awareness in general...   
      
   my personal feeling being to say/suggest that WILDs are the full monty of   
   lucid dreaming wherein everything about it is revealed instead of   
   obscured... iow: WILD enough times deliberately and it all becomes very   
   clear exactly what lucid dreaming actually is and means...   
      
      
      
      
   > Dude out of body experiences have been around alot longer   
   > than you.    Perhaps you don't know where it's at afterall eh?   
   > Writing a book doesn't make it so  but you can try.   good luck!   
      
   ### - even laberge didn't 'invent' WILDs, he only invented a modern name   
   for a very old + known effect, i.e., he scientifically proved that lucid   
   dreaming was a thing and waking dreams were part of it (dilds & wilds) and   
   thus brought the whole subject out of occult literature and into the   
   scientific realm thus making it available to the general public for the   
   first time...   
      
   all i've personally done is to add a little something to that (the use of   
   hypnagogia to enter it + a small map of the midway point itself)   
      
   have never claimed it was new... in fact i've openly suggested it's   
   actually incredibly old :)   
      
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