From: allreadydun@gmail.com   
      
    slider wrote:   
      
   > ### - yeah, you keep making such veiled threats innit, wants to rip me a   
   > new one eh?   
      
   it's  not a threat meathead,  you're not that important.   
   I'm just saying i could do it (if i wanted to) but i don't give a shit anymore.   
   and you're not worth it.   
      
   > so lol wtf did i ever do to... you??   
      
   nothing,   there's nothing you can do,  and why would you bother?   
   see?    you full of nothing.   
      
      
   > ### - the fact that you didn't understand my response isn't exactly my   
   > fault haha, there was a time when i used to go to exorbitant lengths to   
   > explain and break things down for ya, showed ya every consideration etc,   
   > but that time has now passed (since ya told me to fuck of that is lol) and   
   > so from now on you'll just have to take it as it comes pal regardless of   
   > your shitty cynical mood painting everything black... perhaps if you   
   > weren't so goddamn self-important you wouldn't get so angry huh, there's   
   > no room for big indignant egos here ya know ;)   
      
   psycho/spiritual babble.    hey,  what else can you show me mr. dylan ?   
      
      
   > ### - proof of what already, that you're still pissing & moaning about how   
   > big bad cc ripped you and everyone off? oh poor little youuuu LOL !   
   > (crackin' up laffing at mr chips feelin' sooo sorry for himself haha...   
   > poor baby syndrome!)   
      
   see you're still brainwashed with castaneda caca.    you would trust   
   what he wrote as something to follow?   
      
      
   > > i didn't belong to nothing. so you can kiss my ass.   
      
      
   > ### - you belonged so why deny it? were even part of his 'special' sunday   
   > classes weren't you?   
      
   no,  you have me mixed up with one of your gay lovers or something.   
   ha ha.   i never went to any 'class'.   
      
   one of the inner in-crowd? didn't belong my ass lol,   
      
   no,  didn't happen Mr. Mithers.   
      
   > are you REALLY that ashamed to admit it?? :)))   
      
   you looking quite stupid now, but why change now?   lol   
      
   > ### - your current anger and resentment belies your denial? plus i clearly   
   > remember you well before he died, how you were and how you held   
   > yourself... and you seemed to be doin' alright sitting under cc's shadow   
   > hah, imho he was actually good for ya! you were making quite the sincere   
   > effort to be a decent human being! i even still recall our very first   
   > encounter in that nagual chatroom haha... you were so self-possessed and   
   > even kinda dashing heh, and also quite generous to invite a total stranger   
   > (moi) to come to 'this' place to see what's going down here, haha i was   
   > impressed and liked ya straight away, and that's why i came :)))   
      
   so one guy on the internet is kind to you and you follow like a litte sheep eh?   
      
      
   > ### - the 'lesson' you were given (via cc) re belonging to cults and how   
   > they operate ya fool lol, don't be so dense! your anger (i.e.,   
   > self-importance) is blinding you to what am actually saying heh, just take   
   > 'you' outta the equation and all will become clear :)))   
      
   dude you're off base and the ump is gonna throw you out again for   
   being a flaming pendajo.   
      
   > ### - already told ya that my 'real' daddy was part of the team that   
   > helped deprogram the jim jones cult survivors, didn't i? well then,   
      
   so what?    did it sink in any?    btw, the only way to deprogram is to   
   just stop 'believing'.    game over just like that.   no snake oil needed.   
   viola !      :)   
      
   > methinks i might just know something about how cults operate, which afaic   
   > is exactly the same as how society works too - or where ELSE did ya think   
   > they gots it all from in the first place if not from how society itself   
   > operates?? duh! (you're a little slow sometime ain'tcha huh)   
      
   you'll never have the same experience as i do with cults.   
   you only read about them.    Big difference between reading & living amigo.   
      
      
      
   > my personal opinion (and am only speculating here) is that it's actually   
   > all the same thing albeit approached from different angles, thus seemingly   
   > producing different effects that people have then called/labeled one thing   
   > or another...   
      
   > the practice of WILDing, however, reveals aspects of the whole thing that   
   > suggests it's all actually only the same effect/thing: an inbuilt natural   
   > ability to enter at-will and on demand into an altered state of awareness   
   > (you've even experienced it your self 3 or 4 times now so no need for moi   
   > to describe it) something which to all extents and purposes appears like   
   > being in a lucid dreaming state, the difference with WILDs being the   
   > 'extra' options that are also available (such as there being a midway   
   > point) that doesn't appear to be available via those others forms/modes...   
   > iow: WILDs in and of themselves are more revealing about the whole nature   
   > of lucid dreaming and states of altered awareness in general...   
      
   > my personal feeling being to say/suggest that WILDs are the full monty of   
   > lucid dreaming wherein everything about it is revealed instead of   
   > obscured... iow: WILD enough times deliberately and it all becomes very   
   > clear exactly what lucid dreaming actually is and means...   
      
   > ### - even laberge didn't 'invent' WILDs, he only invented a modern name   
   > for a very old + known effect, i.e., he scientifically proved that lucid   
   > dreaming was a thing and waking dreams were part of it (dilds & wilds) and   
   > thus brought the whole subject out of occult literature and into the   
   > scientific realm thus making it available to the general public for the   
   > first time...   
      
   > all i've personally done is to add a little something to that (the use of   
   > hypnagogia to enter it + a small map of the midway point itself)   
      
   > have never claimed it was new... in fact i've openly suggested it's   
   > actually incredibly old :)   
      
   i tend to think that dreaming (all  forms of dreaming) is like entering a   
   library   
   of preloaded pictures that somehow we access and it gets played in our head.   
   Notice that the dream has a mind of its own until we get lucid or awake in the   
   dream and then it can be altered.    But what or who set up the show?    And   
   don't   
   say it was the dreamer as if it concocted all this stuff on the spot when you   
   go to   
   sleep.   There's never a shortage of dreams,   think of it.    Here i am a 73   
   year old   
   fart and i'm still making shit up every night that i don't have a fucking clue   
   about.   
   They never make much sense.   For the most part you forget 98% by noon anyhow.   
   IF mankind has been doing this drill for 100,000 years,  how come we are still   
   dumb as a rug?    We don't learn very fast.    Here's the best line:   "it was   
   just a dream".   
   Yeah useless as ever,  same as it ever was,  my ship will come in some day,     
   and Jesus/   
      
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