From: allreadydun@gmail.com   
      
   > ### - the merchant mind does commerce and thus 'expects' results in sole   
   > terms of profit, gain and/or loss... the fact that people think   
   > exclusively in such terms unfortunately (or perhaps even deliberately)   
   > limits the scope of their activities and horizons to the world of reason &   
   > rationality alone...   
      
   oh bullshit, you sound like some dufus new age bullshit artist.   
      
   > thus the 'effects' of lucid dreaming (a strictly non-rational pursuit)   
   > can't really be weighed/valued in terms of gain or loss, it's actually   
   > about something else entirely: it pertains to a wholly different side to   
   > our nature that to this day remains relatively unexplored & mapped, all we   
   > consciously know about being in the realm of vague myths & weird legends...   
      
   do you really think that gold miners or diamond hunters would waste their   
   time and never hit paydirt?   No fucking way.    They have sense enough to   
   move on.    Do think Babe Ruth would get a chance to bat IF all he ever did   
   was strike out?    No fucking way,  he would be riding the pine  (sitting on   
   the bench)   
      
      
   > in your other post (which am also gonna reply to) you merely 'rationalise'   
   > it all, something which in effect only removes you from the possibility of   
   > ever exploring/probing it further; rationally it's all nonsense and   
   > meaningless so why bother because there's no profit in it etc etc... so   
   > the computer just says: No.   
      
   you're sounding like a chicken shit cult leader now.   
   Jim Jones rap,  Chuck Manson talk,  fill in your favorite cult leader here.   
      
      
   > 'understanding' it then, initially follows along behind the experience   
   > itself, until after a few experiences wondering and understanding begin to   
   > coincide and thus one begins to realise the answers while still only   
   > asking the questions... questions about life, the universe & everything,   
   > and of oneself being alive within it all begins to take on new meaning...   
      
   yeah but where's the fucking beef?   Sooner or later your followers   
   are going to question what the fuck you're saying.   No suckcess like failure.   
      
   > that what such an experience 'leads' to (or results in then) is thus a   
   > completely different knowledge-set, one not based on clumsily figuring   
   > things out but on a form of 'direct-knowing'   
      
   means nothing.    idle head spinning.  blah blah, listen to me i'm the messiah.   
      
   > which i realise sounds preposterous to the rational mind (after all,   
   > there's no profit in it so why bother etc), that is until one finally   
   > realises that this 'alternate' knowledge-set is actually 'inclusive' of   
   > the standard set and as such is vastly larger than it!   
      
   look behind you right now,  how many people are following you besides   
   your Nikes?   
      
   > perforce the ONLY way to REALLY understand all this is to experience it   
   > oneself...   
      
      
   > that because it's innate (like walking is innate but still has to be   
   > learned) it's not that difficult to do and takes relatively little effort   
   > by comparison (on average 2 weeks to make the initial breakthrough) after   
   > which one is then in the perfect position to assess it all for oneself   
   > rather than taking someone's word for anything...   
      
   > to get started, however, you have my book and also the walkthrough videos   
   > (videos 1 through 4 is all someone needs to get started = 30 or 40 minutes   
   > of video), after which it'll all look very different indeed... the only   
   > reason i published it/them being the discovery of a surprisingly more   
   > rapid and reliable means of accessing it via hypnagogic images...   
      
   > try it and then join the debate ;)   
   show me your 'winners'?   where are they and what have they done in the world?   
   Nothing,  nothing but Walter Mitty train to nowhere.   All aboard?   Fuck no!   
   oh and btw,  nothing personal here,  just calling a spade a spade.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)