From: slider@anashram.com   
      
   ### - LOL ! for some unknown reason i thought i was replying to THANG in   
   this post???   
      
   s'no wonder then chriso nearly shat himself over it ahaha :))))   
      
      
   On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 15:45:34 +0100, slider  wrote:   
      
   > On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 13:59:32 +0100, chris rodgers   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> so after about 50 years of farting around with this stuff one comes to a   
   >> conclusion:   where's the beef??     where's the payoff here or the   
   >> gain?   
   >> Oh, no gain?   what the fuck,  what am i doing then??   
   >> turns out that maybe at best you're just punching the clown   
   >> thinking something great is gonna come through dreaming.   
   >> Where is the homerun or the grand slam.?   
   >   
   > ### - the merchant mind does commerce and thus 'expects' results in sole   
   > terms of profit, gain and/or loss... the fact that people think   
   > exclusively in such terms unfortunately (or perhaps even deliberately)   
   > limits the scope of their activities and horizons to the world of reason   
   > & rationality alone...   
   >   
   > thus the 'effects' of lucid dreaming (a strictly non-rational pursuit)   
   > can't really be weighed/valued in terms of gain or loss, it's actually   
   > about something else entirely: it pertains to a wholly different side to   
   > our nature that to this day remains relatively unexplored & mapped, all   
   > we consciously know about being in the realm of vague myths & weird   
   > legends...   
   >   
   > in your other post (which am also gonna reply to) you merely   
   > 'rationalise' it all, something which in effect only removes you from   
   > the possibility of ever exploring/probing it further; rationally it's   
   > all nonsense and meaningless so why bother because there's no profit in   
   > it etc etc... so the computer just says: No.   
   >   
   > iow: there's really only one way to understand it and that's by actually   
   > 'doing' it...   
   >   
   > 'understanding' it then, initially follows along behind the experience   
   > itself, until after a few experiences wondering and understanding begin   
   > to coincide and thus one begins to realise the answers while still only   
   > asking the questions... questions about life, the universe & everything,   
   > and of oneself being alive within it all begins to take on new meaning...   
   >   
   > that what such an experience 'leads' to (or results in then) is thus a   
   > completely different knowledge-set, one not based on clumsily figuring   
   > things out but on a form of 'direct-knowing'   
   >   
   > which i realise sounds preposterous to the rational mind (after all,   
   > there's no profit in it so why bother etc), that is until one finally   
   > realises that this 'alternate' knowledge-set is actually 'inclusive' of   
   > the standard set and as such is vastly larger than it!   
   >   
   > perforce the ONLY way to REALLY understand all this is to experience it   
   > oneself...   
   >   
   > that because it's innate (like walking is innate but still has to be   
   > learned) it's not that difficult to do and takes relatively little   
   > effort by comparison (on average 2 weeks to make the initial   
   > breakthrough) after which one is then in the perfect position to assess   
   > it all for oneself rather than taking someone's word for anything...   
   >   
   > to get started, however, you have my book and also the walkthrough   
   > videos (videos 1 through 4 is all someone needs to get started = 30 or   
   > 40 minutes of video), after which it'll all look very different   
   > indeed... the only reason i published it/them being the discovery of a   
   > surprisingly more rapid and reliable means of accessing it via   
   > hypnagogic images...   
   >   
   > try it and then join the debate ;)   
      
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