From: slider@anashram.com   
      
   > so after about 50 years of farting around with this stuff one comes to a   
   > conclusion:   where's the beef??     where's the payoff here or the gain?   
   > Oh, no gain?   what the fuck,  what am i doing then??   
   > turns out that maybe at best you're just punching the clown   
   > thinking something great is gonna come through dreaming.   
   > Where is the homerun or the grand slam.?   
      
   ### - winding the clock back some, this then deserves a totally different   
   reply :)   
      
   (it's the same reply in terms of content albeit put very differently heh,   
   not so formal or direct)   
      
   the 'point' of it all (the ultimate payoff as you called it) is that of an   
   expansion of awareness.   
      
   which doesn't sound like much does it, but that's what it is...   
      
   and it's likely to be a similar effect for dilds too only far slower, if   
   ever? (in 50 years it's accomplished hardly anything etc)   
      
   i.e., we live and think the way(s) we do due to our 'current' level of   
   awareness, right?   
      
   a level of awareness that's given us the modern world and all its   
   technology etc etc, even rockets to the moon et al...   
      
   so it can be assumed then that any 'expansion' to our current awareness   
   will perforce begin to include other/new things to deal with too, things   
   that will somewhat modify our waking perception of the whole and of   
   ourselves living in it + the kinds of things we can all do and look   
   forward to doing...   
      
   e.g., one way to look at WILDing is as an advanced form of meditation, and   
   meditation peaces/levels people out by dint of bringing some kinda   
   spiritual values into people's lives... their views broaden accordingly in   
   a similar way to the way travel broadens the mind kinda thing... the mind   
   expands/matures...   
      
   you (and others) have been farting about with dilds for 50 years because   
   dilds are by nature unreliable and thus slow advancing, WILDs, however,   
   are much faster and in 3 months it's quite possible to cover all the   
   ground (and more) than all the last 50 years of dilding has accomplished   
   combined!   
      
   if'n ya wants to get right down to the 'nub' of WILDing, it's really about   
   attaining the midway point and the inner-knowledge that then becomes   
   available to us from that position in awareness... a 'direct knowing' as   
   opposed to having to first figure shit out kinda thing...   
      
   perforce the questions one asks while standing in such a place will   
   illuminate our road, you will thus be (and become) your very own reliable   
   guide through life, and you'll learn it all directly from yourself and   
    from your own inner knowledge (so no more depending on ripoff guides and   
   shit huh)   
      
   iow: humanity learning to WILD is (or can be) a way out of their current   
   predicament and stalemate when it comes to being & behaving like jerks on   
   this planet, that if everyone meditated to that degree wallyworld would   
   change inordinately because humanity would come around to seeing   
   themselves very differently indeed... wallyworld actually ending at some   
   point to be replaced by a perhaps more enlightened society :)   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)