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   From: being@apolka.sign   
      
   o'Mahoney wrote:   
   >Noah wrote:   
   >>o'Mahoney wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>Before you begin training in   
   >>>enlightenment, a bowl is a bowl   
   >>>and tea is tea. During training,   
   >>>a bowl is not a bowl, and tea is   
   >>>not tea. After training in enlightenment,   
   >>>a bowl is a bowl   
   >>>and tea is tea.   
   >>>   
   >>>Zen Epigram   
   >>   
   >>Is zen a philosophy?   
   >   
   >If you have to ask...   
      
   When people from near an edge west   
   on a huge land mass went to a near edge of   
   the very same land mass before hopping on over   
   to land on a land they eyed across a strait or a sea,   
   they took their names, philosophy and religion and   
   saw phenomena going on there, in the east.   
      
   Dhyana from India had already taken root in a land   
   which Bodhidharma found fertile enough and there   
   a form formed known as Channa or Chan after it   
   got filtered through the Chuang-tzu aka Tao Chia.   
      
   Apparently the Chia, aka, Schools of Thought, in   
   what could be thought to be China today yet was not   
   during the daze when confused historians decided to create   
   and discriminate folk-religion from the 100 Schools as they   
   saw fit, being scholars of history at the time.   
      
   When blended, almost 1,000 years after the Tao Chia   
   or Tao-School of Thought was created by historians of   
   the so-called Han Dynasty, and after Chan moved on   
   and found or took root on an island to eye that land   
   through eyes of Zen, could be said to have bin done.   
      
   Some modern scholars may contest there never was,   
   in the practice of regular people a division of what are   
   called and known as philosophy and religion, ever.   
      
   Yet if one were to tell that to Han historians they   
   may differ and see the 100 Schools as being philosophy   
   as much as any other schools of thought were and arghh.   
      
   - for the time beings ... Cheers!   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)