From: slider@anashram.com   
      
   On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 14:54:55 +0100, Noah Sombrero  wrote:   
      
   > On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 03:53:58 -0700, one  wrote:   
   >   
   >> Noah wrote:   
   >>> Noah wrote:   
   >>>> one wrote:   
   >>>>> o'Mahoney wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> I should have clarified.  Does God know the last *natural* number?   
   >>>>>> Does God know the last decimal of every *irrational* number   
   >>>>>> including   
   >>>>>> Euler's number, the square root of 8, Pi and the golden ratio?  Does   
   >>>>>> God know the largest irrational number?  Does God know the final   
   >>>>>> prime?  Does God know the final rational number?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> A pair, a dime, a time can shifts a box in shadows made by frogs   
   >>>>> when a boxing ring of truth claims worms beneath the lids there on.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The questions presuppose a last or final number exists   
   >>>>   
   >>>> As for various other conundrums, the existence of a knowledge does not   
   >>>> mean that it is possible for humans to know it.   
   >>>   
   >>> In other words, it is possible, unlike god, for humans to invent a   
   >>> number (square root of 8) that they cannot know.   
   >>   
   >> The square roots of 8 exists in various forms.   
   >> Take 2 times the square root of 2, for example.   
   >> One might take a minus two as a root too, prehaps.   
   >>   
   >> A quest-   
   >> ion may form in terms of weather   
   >> and whether minus numbers actually exist or   
   >> arghh like maps which mathematicians like naturally.   
   >>   
   >>> It might actually be that god does not count things.   
   >>   
   >> It's possible gods do not exist   
   >> other than in the minds of those   
   >> for whom a god or gods do exist.   
   >   
   > God being granted for the purposes of the discussion.   
   >   
   >>> For all we know.   
   >>   
   >> Mathematics and sciences can be counted on, and are   
   >> counted on given various points, such as for example,   
   >> number lines and experimentally being able to repeat   
   >> phenomena and subsequently theorize to explain them.   
   >>   
   >>> Wouldn't that be like you counting how many cells comprise your liver?   
   >>   
   >> The cells in my liver are finite at a given time as are   
   >> the number of hairs on my head which exist and may   
   >> be said to be known by the Universal Being (UB).   
   >   
   > No, no.  The point is that a person would not bother to count tiny   
   > parts of himself, and one supposes neither would god.  Would god be so   
   > silly?  One never knows.  He did create this silly universe after all,   
   > as part of himself.  Stop right there.  Do not get entangled in   
   > conundrums.   
   >   
   >> That, UB, metaphysically speaking seeing   
   >> as how it's a category word, knows without knowing   
   >> intellectually. Similar to how water knows how to seek   
   >> and find its own level given a plane it's plain to see.   
   >>   
   >> If, by definition, a god known as God is said to exist   
   >> and is known by the book known as The Book seeing   
   >> as how it says so, dogmatically, that's a form of being.   
   >   
   > We need not consider such things   
      
   ### - (my sever doesn't allow cross-posting so he'll likely never see this   
   reply anyway, but)   
      
   exactly! there's nada to consider!   
      
   coz there IS no... philosophy!   
      
   or do you really think the Universe (or 'god' if you really must   
   anthropomorphise everything) sits there in its vastness: figuring things   
   out?? (riiiight...)   
      
   no! - it just IS - and is just doing ITS thing regardless of 'anything' we   
   might ever wanna 'think' about it! it's too BIG to ever understand anyway!   
   literally goes out of sight in every direction one looks!   
      
   we'll NEVER understand it!   
      
   don't even TRY! the universe doesn't 'think' - it's silent! :)   
      
   as such: philosophy + anything else we might rationalise or come-up with,   
   doesn't exist except in the heads of dumbass human beings who literally   
   made up/invented ALL that crap themselves! putting OUR words in the mouth   
   of the universe?? duh! (i think what god MEANT to saaaay? riiight...)   
      
   the simple + direct truth of the matter being: that we do not KNOW...   
   anything!   
      
   so why pretend? why get lost in useless conjecture that will never resolve   
   anything!   
      
   it 'feels' nice so we keep doin' it, is that it?? lol :))))   
      
   yeah well: STOP it! leave it alone! (or you'll stay blind? really laffing   
   haha)   
      
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