XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia   
   From: ansaman@gmail.com   
      
   On 9/6/2021 9:14 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   > On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 04:09:07 -0700, one  wrote:   
   >   
   >> o'Mahoney wrote:   
   >>> Noah wrote:   
   >>>> o'Mahoney wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Before you begin training in   
   >>>>> enlightenment, a bowl is a bowl   
   >>>>> and tea is tea. During training,   
   >>>>> a bowl is not a bowl, and tea is   
   >>>>> not tea. After training in enlightenment,   
   >>>>> a bowl is a bowl   
   >>>>> and tea is tea.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Zen Epigram   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Is zen a philosophy?   
   >>>   
   >>> If you have to ask...   
   >>   
   >> When people from near an edge west   
   >> on a huge land mass went to a near edge of   
   >> the very same land mass before hopping on over   
   >> to land on a land they eyed across a strait or a sea,   
   >> they took their names, philosophy and religion and   
   >> saw phenomena going on there, in the east.   
   >>   
   >> Dhyana from India had already taken root in a land   
   >> which Bodhidharma found fertile enough and there   
   >> a form formed known as Channa or Chan after it   
   >> got filtered through the Chuang-tzu aka Tao Chia.   
   >>   
   >> Apparently the Chia, aka, Schools of Thought, in   
   >> what could be thought to be China today yet was not   
   >> during the daze when confused historians decided to create   
   >> and discriminate folk-religion from the 100 Schools as they   
   >> saw fit, being scholars of history at the time.   
   >>   
   >> When blended, almost 1,000 years after the Tao Chia   
   >> or Tao-School of Thought was created by historians of   
   >> the so-called Han Dynasty, and after Chan moved on   
   >> and found or took root on an island to eye that land   
   >> through eyes of Zen, could be said to have bin done.   
   >>   
   >> Some modern scholars may contest there never was,   
   >> in the practice of regular people a division of what are   
   >> called and known as philosophy and religion, ever.   
   >>   
   >> Yet if one were to tell that to Han historians they   
   >> may differ and see the 100 Schools as being philosophy   
   >> as much as any other schools of thought were and arghh.   
   >>   
   >> - for the time beings ... Cheers!   
   >   
   > Even that much is already more philosophy than the world needs.   
      
   All I know is that Han shot first.   
      
      
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