XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia   
   From: Wilson@nowhere.net   
      
   On 9/6/2021 11:00 AM, ansaman wrote:   
   > On 9/6/2021 9:14 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >> On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 04:09:07 -0700, one  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> o'Mahoney wrote:   
   >>>> Noah wrote:   
   >>>>> o'Mahoney wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> Before you begin training in   
   >>>>>> enlightenment, a bowl is a bowl   
   >>>>>> and tea is tea. During training,   
   >>>>>> a bowl is not a bowl, and tea is   
   >>>>>> not tea. After training in enlightenment,   
   >>>>>> a bowl is a bowl   
   >>>>>> and tea is tea.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Zen Epigram   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Is zen a philosophy?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> If you have to ask...   
   >>>   
   >>> When people from near an edge west   
   >>> on a huge land mass went to a near edge of   
   >>> the very same land mass before hopping on over   
   >>> to land on a land they eyed across a strait or a sea,   
   >>> they took their names, philosophy and religion and   
   >>> saw phenomena going on there, in the east.   
   >>>   
   >>> Dhyana from India had already taken root in a land   
   >>> which Bodhidharma found fertile enough and there   
   >>> a form formed known as Channa or Chan after it   
   >>> got filtered through the Chuang-tzu aka Tao Chia.   
   >>>   
   >>> Apparently the Chia, aka, Schools of Thought, in   
   >>> what could be thought to be China today yet was not   
   >>> during the daze when confused historians decided to create   
   >>> and discriminate folk-religion from the 100 Schools as they   
   >>> saw fit, being scholars of history at the time.   
   >>>   
   >>> When blended, almost 1,000 years after the Tao Chia   
   >>> or Tao-School of Thought was created by historians of   
   >>> the so-called Han Dynasty, and after Chan moved on   
   >>> and found or took root on an island to eye that land   
   >>> through eyes of Zen, could be said to have bin done.   
   >>>   
   >>> Some modern scholars may contest there never was,   
   >>> in the practice of regular people a division of what are   
   >>> called and known as philosophy and religion, ever.   
   >>>   
   >>> Yet if one were to tell that to Han historians they   
   >>> may differ and see the 100 Schools as being philosophy   
   >>> as much as any other schools of thought were and arghh.   
   >>>   
   >>> - for the time beings ... Cheers!   
   >>   
   >> Even that much is already more philosophy than the world needs.   
   >   
   > All I know is that Han shot first.   
      
   Listen here you troublemaker.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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