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   alt.dreams.castaneda      The Art of Dreaming by Carlos Castaneda      26,979 messages   

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   Re: i've had this dream before   
   17 Dec 21 14:56:17   
   
   From: slider@anashram.com   
      
   > in last night's dream i'm out on the basketball court playing   
   > ball with a couple of dudes,  just screwing around shooting and   
   > stuff.   
      
   ### - imho, a standard image of wallyworld as portrayed/projected by you   
   and as represented in this instance by a simple competitive/ win/lose   
   ball-game... other people have similar dreams albeit about being in some   
   busy shopping mall or theater for example, all these again being symbolic   
   representations of the daily world... most people thus spending their   
   'whole lives' just screwing around shooting & stuff heh...   
      
      
   > I got ahold of the ball and decided to drive towards the   
   > basket and do a 'lay up'.   Somehow i ended up behind the backboard   
   > and i decided to jump up in the air, i noticed i had hang time ability   
   > and could stay up as long as i liked.   I slowly moved towards the   
   > basket and stuffed the ball in the basket.   
      
   ### - you became lucid in the dream at this point... standard dild approach   
      
      
      
   > Before i did this i looked   
   > out on the court and i told everyone what the date was and the time   
   > and that this is a lucid dream.    They repeated back to me that this   
   > is correct.   
      
   ### - and not a very lucid dild either hehe, coz here's you now only half   
   awake in a dream, telling your other 'selves' that it's just a dream and   
   they all echo in agreement like morons back atcha ahaha... i mean why   
   bother affirming it's a dream in such a common manner unless you were only   
   half awake talking to a bunch of your own dc's and taking it/them all   
   seriously... (can imagine your standard awareness crashing at this point   
   as you became more aware of the situation haha, have been there a few   
   times too)   
      
      
      
      
      
   > This is different than flying in a dream.   I've done that   
   > a hundred times so it's no big deal really.   But to hang up in the air   
   > is real fun.   At first you think perhaps you might drop down at some   
   > point but it never happens.   You just remain 'up' for as long as you   
   > like.   
      
   ### - this is the reality-check i now routinely use these days to test if   
   am still dreaming or not, total lucidity in any dream (100% lucidity iow)   
   creating the situation where it becomes difficult to accept that what   
   you're facing now is still only a dream, so convincingly 'real' that it   
   just doesn't seem possible to still be dreaming! floating up in the air   
   like that, even just a few inches, being the reassuring proof required to   
   remain objective/detached, such complete lucidity being a fairly common   
   event via WILDS, a marked sign of 100% lucidity always being the total   
   absence of dc's, almost as if they only come out if/when   
   semi-unconsciously projected... (which is what i ultimately suspect)   
      
      
      
      
   > I woke up for the dream and i felt more 'centered' than i have in quite   
   > awhile.    I would love to feel this way all the time.   Yeah  i'm   
   > working on   
   > it.   I'm trying to surrender myself as much as possible.    Tech support   
   > are you listening ?    lol   
      
   ### - smile, plus how appropriate, coz here's us recently talking about   
   things being either left, right or center etc in political terms + i seem   
   to be talking in code (which i defo was heh) and it looks like you then   
   gots a very nice lesson in exactly what am going-on about plus even a   
   subconscious hint at what it all means, your own mind filling-in all the   
   blanks, cool :)   
      
   i.e., stripping it bare: it started-off with you on the left/right field   
   playing ball (the standard wallyworld position of unconscious duality in   
   which one typically picks a side) only something odd happened and you   
   somehow overshot the mark (went behind the board), becoming lucid/aware   
   you then floating 'above' the standard position hitting a more central   
   area... you then spent some time in this 3rd (above) position and awoke   
   retaining it enough to savour its energising + balancing effects...   
      
   iow: aware dreaming (and other things too) don't exist from the left/right   
   (dual wallyworld) pov, all that 'other' stuff (including dreaming) only   
   becoming available from the center-pov (what rationalists would call being   
   in an altered state)   
      
   the trick then being (what any good shaman knows or should know) is to be   
   able to attain that altered state on demand, either indirectly (as you   
   just did) via a natural shift in awareness brought about by & during   
   normal sleep and then becoming aware of it, the hardest part of dilds), or   
   more deliberately & directly via WILDs or any of the other typical   
   obe/astral projection methods that bring about 'waking' dreams as opposed   
   to sleeping ones, mainly because these are the only techniques that   
   approach entering such an altered state more deliberately and   
   consciously/on purpose...   
      
   to understand all this fully, perforce people have to experience both   
   sleeping AND waking dreams in order to be able to then contrast/compare   
   them, and from that then be able to draw their own correct conclusions   
   about what lucid dreaming actually is and all means ;)   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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