From: allreadydun@gmail.com   
      
   > ### - imho, a standard image of wallyworld as portrayed/projected by you   
   > and as represented in this instance by a simple competitive/ win/lose   
   > ball-game... other people have similar dreams albeit about being in some   
   > busy shopping mall or theater for example, all these again being symbolic   
   > representations of the daily world... most people thus spending their   
   > 'whole lives' just screwing around shooting & stuff heh...   
      
   oh what horseshit.    you're lost in your mind with this stuff, give it up.   
      
      
   > ### - you became lucid in the dream at this point... standard dild approach   
      
   so what?    you become lucid when  it happens,  big deal ?   
      
   > ### - and not a very lucid dild either hehe, coz here's you now only half   
   > awake in a dream, telling your other 'selves' that it's just a dream and   
   > they all echo in agreement like morons back atcha ahaha... i mean why   
   > bother affirming it's a dream in such a common manner unless you were only   
   > half awake talking to a bunch of your own dc's and taking it/them all   
   > seriously... (can imagine your standard awareness crashing at this point   
   > as you became more aware of the situation haha, have been there a few   
   > times too)   
      
   you're just guessing.   you are not the authority of my dream.   
   you might be an authority on your own dreams but you're coming in   
   here with bully logic that YOU know better--you don't.   
      
   > ### - this is the reality-check i now routinely use these days to test if   
   > am still dreaming or not, total lucidity in any dream (100% lucidity iow)   
   > creating the situation where it becomes difficult to accept that what   
   > you're facing now is still only a dream, so convincingly 'real' that it   
   > just doesn't seem possible to still be dreaming! floating up in the air   
   > like that, even just a few inches, being the reassuring proof required to   
   > remain objective/detached, such complete lucidity being a fairly common   
   > event via WILDS, a marked sign of 100% lucidity always being the total   
   > absence of dc's, almost as if they only come out if/when   
   > semi-unconsciously projected... (which is what i ultimately suspect)   
      
   the fact that one becomes lucid is because something has shifted.   
   no shift means same old same crappy dreaming.   business as usual.   
   Lucidity is extremely easy once you're 'in' the right place.   
      
   being up in the air or rising up in the air or flying are the dream signposts   
   that i use over and over.   I know instantly that i am dreaming, the rest is   
   easy.   
      
   > ### - smile, plus how appropriate, coz here's us recently talking about   
   > things being either left, right or center etc in political terms + i seem   
   > to be talking in code (which i defo was heh) and it looks like you then   
   > gots a very nice lesson in exactly what am going-on about plus even a   
   > subconscious hint at what it all means, your own mind filling-in all the   
   > blanks, cool :)   
      
   baloney,  jesus you're worst than a freudian dipshit with analysis.   
   it's not about you or your opinion.    stop trying to be the dream nagual   
   that can tell other people what their dreams mean.   you should have   
   let go of doing that in 70's.    come to the party nagual boy.   
      
   > i.e., stripping it bare: it started-off with you on the left/right field   
   > playing ball (the standard wallyworld position of unconscious duality in   
   > which one typically picks a side) only something odd happened and you   
   > somehow overshot the mark (went behind the board), becoming lucid/aware   
   > you then floating 'above' the standard position hitting a more central   
   > area... you then spent some time in this 3rd (above) position and awoke   
   > retaining it enough to savour its energising + balancing effects...   
      
   blah blah blah bullshit.   you sound like a dipshit.   
      
      
   > iow: aware dreaming (and other things too) don't exist from the left/right   
   > (dual wallyworld) pov, all that 'other' stuff (including dreaming) only   
   > becoming available from the center-pov (what rationalists would call being   
   > in an altered state)   
      
   does not apply here,  wrong church, wrong aisle chief.   
      
   > the trick then being (what any good shaman knows or should know) is to be   
   > able to attain that altered state on demand, either indirectly (as you   
   > just did) via a natural shift in awareness brought about by & during   
   > normal sleep and then becoming aware of it, the hardest part of dilds), or   
   > more deliberately & directly via WILDs or any of the other typical   
   > obe/astral projection methods that bring about 'waking' dreams as opposed   
   > to sleeping ones, mainly because these are the only techniques that   
   > approach entering such an altered state more deliberately and   
   > consciously/on purpose...   
      
   good shaman?  ha ha ha.   that's a good one.    because you read a series of   
   books from a world-class con artist?   who's still brainwashed?   
      
   > to understand all this fully, perforce people have to experience both   
   > sleeping AND waking dreams in order to be able to then contrast/compare   
   > them, and from that then be able to draw their own correct conclusions   
   > about what lucid dreaming actually is and all means ;)   
      
   dreaming is beyond the intellect doctor boy.    dreaming doesn't always make   
   sense.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)