From: slider@anashram.com   
      
   still taking things far too personally wrote :)   
      
   >> ### - imho, a standard image of wallyworld as portrayed/projected by you   
   >> and as represented in this instance by a simple competitive/ win/lose   
   >> ball-game... other people have similar dreams albeit about being in some   
   >> busy shopping mall or theater for example, all these again being   
   >> symbolic   
   >> representations of the daily world... most people thus spending their   
   >> 'whole lives' just screwing around shooting & stuff heh...   
   >   
   > oh what horseshit.    you're lost in your mind with this stuff, give it   
   > up.   
      
   ### - honestly don't think it is hs, am just being entirely straight with   
   ya here, am merely fronting ideas based on an accumulating understanding   
   is all, an attempt at synthesis, so no need to be so hostile/defensive, no   
   one's on-trial here buddy, relax :)   
      
   people dreaming of being at a big concert or gathering being very common,   
   as is being on some kinda team or another (it's ONLY an opinion, in this   
   instance a working-opinion that currently makes more sense than most   
   others coz that's all am ever dealin' in, ya know? this being what i   
   currently think, plus ain't saying it's gospel so it's ok to suggest it's   
   horseshit, but if so then ya have to replace it with a better working   
   idea...)   
      
      
      
      
   >> ### - you became lucid in the dream at this point... standard dild   
   >> approach   
   >   
   > so what?    you become lucid when  it happens,  big deal ?   
      
   ### - why are you somehow taking that as being a... criticism?? (please   
   leave your ego at home bud, it's not needed here)   
      
   it's merely an 'observation' and nada else...   
      
   a dild as opposed to a WILD... fact!   
      
   (there's a reason why i differentiate between them that was clearly   
   explained later on anyway duh, but you so can't wait to have a go back   
   already eh? geez put your guns away lol)   
      
      
      
      
      
      
   >> ### - and not a very lucid dild either hehe, coz here's you now only   
   >> half   
   >> awake in a dream, telling your other 'selves' that it's just a dream and   
   >> they all echo in agreement like morons back atcha ahaha... i mean why   
   >> bother affirming it's a dream in such a common manner unless you were   
   >> only   
   >> half awake talking to a bunch of your own dc's and taking it/them all   
   >> seriously... (can imagine your standard awareness crashing at this point   
   >> as you became more aware of the situation haha, have been there a few   
   >> times too)   
   >   
   > you're just guessing.   you are not the authority of my dream.   
   > you might be an authority on your own dreams but you're coming in   
   > here with bully logic that YOU know better--you don't.   
      
   ### - am expressing an opinion only here, one that (currently anways)   
   appears to be consistent, and here i am outlining that whole idea to you   
   to have a little look at, is all...   
      
   'getting' you to look at it being something else altogether tho LOL ! :)))   
      
      
      
      
      
      
   >> ### - this is the reality-check i now routinely use these days to test   
   >> if   
   >> am still dreaming or not, total lucidity in any dream (100% lucidity   
   >> iow)   
   >> creating the situation where it becomes difficult to accept that what   
   >> you're facing now is still only a dream, so convincingly 'real' that it   
   >> just doesn't seem possible to still be dreaming! floating up in the air   
   >> like that, even just a few inches, being the reassuring proof required   
   >> to   
   >> remain objective/detached, such complete lucidity being a fairly common   
   >> event via WILDS, a marked sign of 100% lucidity always being the total   
   >> absence of dc's, almost as if they only come out if/when   
   >> semi-unconsciously projected... (which is what i ultimately suspect)   
   >   
   > the fact that one becomes lucid is because something has shifted.   
   > no shift means same old same crappy dreaming.   business as usual.   
   > Lucidity is extremely easy once you're 'in' the right place.   
      
      
   ### - (at last you drop the defensive attitude) then we're in near   
   agreement coz this is almost exactly what am saying/suggesting here too!   
      
   that once you're in the 'right' place (in awareness) then it's much   
   easier... getting oneself INTO that place being what the difficulties (and   
   techniques) are all about...   
      
   we can learn to manipulate our awareness via sleep and we can also   
   manipulate it via other ways while awake, the distinction between them   
   being important enough to mention because the results differ...   
      
      
      
      
   > being up in the air or rising up in the air or flying are the dream   
   > signposts   
   > that i use over and over.   I know instantly that i am dreaming, the   
   > rest is easy.   
   >   
   >> ### - smile, plus how appropriate, coz here's us recently talking about   
   >> things being either left, right or center etc in political terms + i   
   >> seem   
   >> to be talking in code (which i defo was heh) and it looks like you then   
   >> gots a very nice lesson in exactly what am going-on about plus even a   
   >> subconscious hint at what it all means, your own mind filling-in all the   
   >> blanks, cool :)   
   >   
   > baloney,  jesus you're worst than a freudian dipshit with analysis.   
   > it's not about you or your opinion.    stop trying to be the dream nagual   
   > that can tell other people what their dreams mean.   you should have   
   > let go of doing that in 70's.    come to the party nagual boy.   
      
   ### - lol you're the one being the dipshit now :)))   
      
   look, we're just having a fucking 'conversation' okaaay? you have your   
   ideas and i have mines, and IF there's summat you happen to disagree with   
   then fine, argue that and make relevant points to back it up, debate it   
   like a grownup ya know? NOT just immediately resort to kicking the shit   
   outta whoever's saying it LOL ! ffs! :D   
      
   fyi: a 'debate' (i.e., an intellectual exchange of ideas) is about who   
   'argues' (puts) their case best... this, however, doesn't automatically   
   mean that the winner of the debate is absolutely right or correct! it ONLY   
   means that the best 'argument' wins! - a conclusion that may well even be   
   totally debunked later! but first we gots to eliminate all the clearly   
   weaker ideas! 2 heads being better than one we thus eliminate any weaker   
   ideas one by one because, for whatever reasons, they just can't stand up,   
   until there's only a couple left that don't fall-down so easily etc...   
      
   now for goodness sake just try to focus on the 'material' here instead of   
   how you 'feel' haha :))))   
      
      
   >> i.e., stripping it bare: it started-off with you on the left/right field   
   >> playing ball (the standard wallyworld position of unconscious duality in   
   >> which one typically picks a side) only something odd happened and you   
   >> somehow overshot the mark (went behind the board), becoming lucid/aware   
   >> you then floating 'above' the standard position hitting a more central   
   >> area... you then spent some time in this 3rd (above) position and awoke   
      
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