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|    25 Jan 22 12:54:45    |
      From: slider@anashram.com              Berlin says it stands ‘very closely’ on Kyiv’s side but won’t change       position on arms exports.              German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock sought to calm a diplomatic       storm with Ukraine on Monday, offering economic aid to the war-threatened       country and reiterating Berlin’s strong support.              The move came after Germany’s top navy official over the weekend played       down the threat of the 100,000 Russian troops massed along the Ukrainian       border, suggesting the West should show some “respect” to Russian       President Vladimir Putin.              The German government was quick to distance itself from its navy chief,       who resigned later on Saturday. But the damage was done: Ukraine’s foreign       minister publicly scolded Germany, saying that it “must stop such words       and actions [which] undermine unity and encourage Vladimir Putin to a new       attack on Ukraine.”              Arriving at a meeting of EU foreign ministers in Brussels on Monday,       Baerbock vowed support for Ukraine and argued that “economic stabilization       ” was “one of the decisive measures” of support Germany could provide.              “It is important that we especially keep the economic situation in Ukraine       in mind,” she said. “We are very closely on Ukraine’s side in terms of       both financial and economic support.”              Baerbock did not offer any details about the monetary aid, however.              Her announcement came the same day that European Commission President       Ursula von der Leyen proposed a €1.2 billion emergency aid package to       “help Ukraine now to address its financing needs due to the conflict.” The       money still needs to be approved by EU countries and the European       Parliament.              The pledges of financial support are occurring against the backdrop of       another issue that has left Ukraine frustrated: Germany’s refusal to send       Ukraine arms to help the country defend itself against a potential Russian       invasion. Germany has even hindered Estonia to this point from sending old       German howitzers to the country.              Moreover, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz only hesitantly announced last       week that all options — including a stop of the controversial       Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, which Ukraine opposes —       would have to be discussed if Russia attacked Ukraine.              While Baerbock spoke of economic and financial aid on Monday, a government       spokesperson said in Berlin that the German position concerning arms       exports to Ukraine, even when it comes to defensive weapon systems,       remained “unchanged.”              The spokesperson further said that the government “has not yet made a       decision” whether to allow the export of the Estonian howitzers to       Ukraine. “I cannot say precisely” when the decision will be made, the       spokesperson said, “but it’s not a matter of months.”              Asked whether Germany was a reliable partner when it comes to dealing with       Russia, EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said Monday that “all       members of the European Union are united.”              ### - had to really laff over everyone suddenly turning on germany       (again!) for NOT wanting to get too involved in anything to do with       sending military arms and wars and stuff?              and yet the answer for their reluctance is actually very simple really...       the exact same reason they also balked that time when it came to them       being asked to go to israel during the gulf war to test for chemical       weapons that saddam hussain was reported to have chucked at them: everyone       called them cowards for refusing to go?? :)))              what they were NOT taking into consideration, however, and it's very       important... being that since the end of ww2, germany has literally been       on the end of a stick they've been beaten with for the last 70 years!!! ya       rotten nazi-bastards causing ww2 (poke/dig) gassing & killing millions of       people?? (poke-poke-dig) on & on like that, by the whole world, for near       on 3 generations???              is it any wonder then that, after being put through ALL that, of       generations all being beaten with the same awful stick, that the 'current'       generation are all now quite genuine pacifists that wants absolutely NADA       to do with wars or killing people ever again?              that although (because of their history) they just so happen to be the       world's best experts on 'gassing' people (lol @ the irony) they then felt       distinctly 'uncomfortable' when asked to go to 'israel' (of all places       lol) and investigate them being 'gassed' LOL ! they were horrified at even       the very idea ffs! and it was actually 'quite 'cruel' of us to poke them       for feeling that way?? (very cruel actually, mixed signals and all that?)              ditto again now: as confirmed pacifists not wanting to ever do anything       illegal or violent again, they don't wanna get involved in sending arms to       anywhere that'll maybe use them to either, rightly or wrongly: 'kill'       people, right?              this being perfectly understandable! of course they're part of europe and       stand with them now as allies! but after being treated/conditioned like       that for 70 fuckin' years don't pretend to be surprised when they       immediately shy like a horse at the prospect of getting involved with       violence of ANY description???              i.e., we DID that TO them as PUNISHMENT for their involvement in ww2!              and it worked!!! they NEVER ever wanna be violent EVER again LOL ! they've       become total pacifists!              even if that means being kicked around & despised by the rest of europe       for wanting peace...              coz in truth, after being conditioned so brutally like that, for sooo very       long, they actually need therapy! (lol anyone would!)              iow: 'because' of what they (as a nation) have BEEN through over the last       70 years, germany is thus the very LAST person ANYONE should ever ask to       join their army LOL ! LOL !              (do you remember the movie clockwork orange? well THAT what was       effectively done TO germany as punishment!!! go figure...)              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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