From: slider@anashram.com   
      
   ### - have read ALL this again in fine detail thang and can't see what   
   you're going on about?   
      
   have clarified each block again for you anyway...   
      
      
   >>>>> But despite the potential benefits, the pipeline had faced opposition   
   >>>>> within the European Union and from the United States on the grounds   
   >>>>> that   
   >>>>> it would increase Europe's energy dependence on Russia as well as   
   >>>>> denying   
   >>>>> transit fees to Ukraine, host to another Russian gas pipeline, and   
   >>>>> making   
   >>>>> it more vulnerable to Russian invasion.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> ### - ukraine don't want the pipeline because it bypasses ukraine and   
   >>>>> they   
   >>>>> get billions in transit fees from the old one, this above torrent of   
   >>>>> abuse   
   >>>>> coming from the very same dudes who refused to pay their 3-billion   
   >>>>> gas   
   >>>>> bill, which 'they' were using as a weapon at the time + is the real   
   >>>>> reason   
   >>>>> a 2nd pipeline even became necessary?   
      
   ### - don't you remember when this happened thang? a few years ago now,   
   they suddenly refused to pay and russia threatened to cut them off? caused   
   a bit of a flap at the time because europe gets 40% of their gas VIA that   
   pipeline...   
      
      
      
   >>>>> and while it makes sense to sanction the new pipeline costing russia   
   >>>>> billions in revenue, it's gonna cost europe even more billions if we   
   >>>>> do   
   >>>>> that?? and THAT'S providing russia doesn't cut the supply off   
   >>>>> altogether   
   >>>>> on the old pipeline too! (as in why should they continue to give us   
   >>>>> cheap   
   >>>>> cut-price gas - 40% of europe's needs - when we're hitting them with   
   >>>>> such   
   >>>>> heavy sanctions?)   
      
   ### - i.e., am questioning the rational sense of blocking the gas?   
      
      
      
      
      
   >>>>> fuck me, come next winter we're likely all gonna be freezing our   
   >>>>> proverbial bollocks-off here mate! :)))   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> fuel cost have ALREADY just doubled/trebled here and peeps is hopping   
   >>>>> mad   
   >>>>> about it! (don't worry though, our government's gonna give us all   
   >>>>> 'loans'   
   >>>>> to help pay for 'part' of it, geez how kind!)   
      
   ### - i.e., they's saying now that by next year here, utility costs will   
   be as much as 50% of people's income!   
      
      
      
      
      
   >>>>> chit-chat about 're-routing' europe's gas supplies altogether have   
   >>>>> never   
   >>>>> come to anything, ANY alternative, WHATSOEVER, costing a lot more,   
   >>>>> MUCH   
   >>>>> MORE! beyond the point of ordinary people being able to afford it   
   >>>>> MORE!   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> shooting ourselves in the foot we are!?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> plus who's to say the current pipeline wont get damaged in the   
   >>>>> ensuing   
   >>>>> war   
   >>>>> anyway??   
      
   ### - iow: if we DON'T use russian gas it's gonna fuck europe's ecomomy   
   right up!   
      
   to which end they've NOW decided NOT to sanction the gas that's already   
   coming through!   
      
   nord stream 2 is out, but that hasn't even been opened yet anyway...   
      
      
      
      
   >>>>> sigh, what a miserable state of affairs we gots now then huh...   
      
   ### - that's my 'personal' pov & position ok?   
      
      
      
      
   >>>>> there basically being nada we can do now to 'stop' russia sorting-out   
   >>>>> their 'own' security concerns (unless we attack them that is!) why   
   >>>>> not   
   >>>>> instead of tearing-off our shirts and getting all 'hard' & 'mean'   
   >>>>> with   
   >>>>> russia - which, let's face it, isn't gonna do fuck-all except for   
   >>>>> winding   
   >>>>> ourselves up... and start talking sensibly with russia about all this   
   >>>>> now?   
   >>>>> (they called our bluff and we lost!)   
      
   ### - iow: from they've gone as far as actually attacking, they ain't   
   gonna just stop now...   
      
      
      
      
   >>>>> and coz russia ain't gonna stop now in 'making-sure' this little   
   >>>>> problem   
   >>>>> doesn't EVER arise AGAIN with ukraine? (ukraine as a pawn of the   
   >>>>> west is   
   >>>>> thus history!) that UNLESS we're actually planning to attack them   
   >>>>> (really   
   >>>>> don't recommend that one lol) then THAT'S the way it's ALL gonna   
   >>>>> eventually settle down to be!   
      
   ### - iow: am just saying there that now they've started they're likely   
   gonna attempt to 'complete' the whatever move they've got planned, yes?   
      
   that the ONLY thing that might stop them now they've started is IF we   
   attack them in some way!   
      
      
      
      
   >>>>> and we NEED that fuckin' fuel! (and other shit too coz life is hard   
   >>>>> at   
   >>>>> the   
   >>>>> moment everywhere!)   
      
   ### - this is correct, as borne out by the west's decision now NOT to   
   sanction the gas BECAUSE (as biden also said) that would make life more   
   difficult for europe!   
      
      
      
   >>>>> the ONLY alternative is a war then! and do we really want... that??   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> (damn maybe we do!)   
      
   ### - so are we gonna have ww3 'for real' over this or not??   
      
   imho we should seek dialogue NOT war!   
      
   so PLEASE now show me where ANYWHERE in the above where i was supporting   
   russia????   
      
   (i wasn't, not at all...)   
      
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