From: allreadydun@gmail.com   
      
   On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 1:52:45 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:   
   > >> might be time for Ukraine to tap out.   
   > >   
   > > - a tiny chihuahua hurling itself at the ankles of a giant hasn't even   
   > > gots a chance.   
   > >   
   > > they should stop now before it gets ugly...   
   > ### - been doin' some critical thinkin' re all this (which auto-rules   
   > thang out heh...) and unfortunately for them, even with all the extra   
   > weapons, ukraine can't possibly win this war without the west becoming   
   > 'directly' involved in some way or another, and for THAT to happen there'd   
   > HAVE to be some kinda serious trigger point? some kinda horrible event   
   > that wholly justifies their actions!   
   >   
   > OUR problem thus being that IF a nuke (say a small one) 'does' occur in   
   > ukraine; it'll certainly be 'blamed' on russia alright, only we wont know   
   > WHO the fuck actually did it??   
   >   
   > else russia has effectively already WON this damn war just by annexing   
   > those extra 4 regions (5 including crimea) and retreating behind them,   
   > which now looks to have been their plan all along... (i.e., back in Feb.   
   > the original debate was about: were they only gonna invade/capture the   
   > southern regions involved or take ALL of ukraine, moi arguing at the time   
   > that they'd prolly have to take it all or continue fighting an endless war   
   > along those borders afterwards etc, only apparently i was wrong!)   
   >   
   > so what happens NOW then + why all this talk about nukes etc when there's   
   > no actual NEED whatsoever for russia to use 'em?? - coz ukraine now   
   > basically returns to where they were 'before' the invasion began, only now   
   > those 5 areas of dispute have become permanent fixtures (at least as far   
   > as russia's concerned) and ALL ukraine can DO without ACTUAL assistance   
   > from the west, is to fight little battles along those same front lines   
   > that they can't possibly ever win!!!   
   >   
   > i.e., russia isn't stupid enough to do anything that would 'actually'   
   > bring nato into it (at least not on purpose) and b'coz by withdrawing to   
   > behind those newly annexed areas they've already fully achieved their   
   > original goal! the fight now only being to keep ukraine from regaining   
   > them! something they can easily do/maintain, just as they did before!!!   
   >   
   > the RISK now being that ukraine (and the west) wont/can't possibly settle   
   > for that and will thus do summat to change/alter the whole equation, which   
   > for them is currently one of total loss! (the loss of those 5 annexed   
   > areas for ukraine that they can never win back, and the massive investment   
   > the west has made in sending all those weapons & finance if now it all   
   > comes to nada!)   
   >   
   > and b'coz the ONLY one fighting/attacking now IS ukraine in trying to   
   > retrieve those 5 annexed areas! russia merely defending them, as before,   
   > only now with slightly more justification from their pov... and there's   
   > nada ukraine can really DO about it on their own!   
   >   
   > do the math folks!   
   >   
   > the NEXT move (on the board) is the west's OR it ALL ends in the current   
   > stalemate! (the same damn stalemate as before!)   
   >   
   > and imho/observation we've seemingly come/gone too far to back down now??   
   >   
   > thus an 'incredibly dangerous' moment in human history!   
   >   
   > so place yer bets! - even's money: war with russia - 20/1: the current   
   > stalemate persists (coz how can they (the west) just leave it there after   
   > paying such a heavy price in damaged economies etc & face...)   
   >   
   > there's also a 100/1 shot up for grabs heh: humanity gets suddenly 'sane'   
   > (riiiight...) and everyone seeing the danger instead returns to the   
   > negotiating table to now more equitably redraw the map(s) of the world to   
   > 'include' russia AND china + with everyone ceasing their world-domination   
   > shit in-favour of sharing... hallelujah!   
   >   
   > (well it ain't 100/1 for nada lol, sanity prevailing being the longest   
   > shot of all in wallyworld :)))   
   it's always been a free-for-all done here on Earth.   
   knuckleheads never figure in the cost of consequences.   
   they will pay.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)