From: slider@anashram.com   
      
   On Sat, 17 Dec 2022 14:27:49 -0000, o'Mahoney    
   wrote:   
      
   > From a scholarly treatise (of which I can provide the ISBN etc or even   
   > upload the entire tome):   
   >   
   > ! 	The first recorded rulers of Ukraine came from Scandinavia.   
   > ! 	Ukraine’s first political name was Kyivan Rus’.   
   > ! 	In 988, Kyivan Rus’ was Christianized for political   
   > expediency.   
   > ! 	The Mongols conquered the Kyivan Rus’/Ukrainian empire in   
   > 1242.   
   > ! 	The old Norse culture was assimilated into a Christianized   
   > Slavic culture.   
   >   
   > Ukraine is the birthplace of the Ukrainian and Russian people.   
   >   
   > For Russian readers of history, it raises the question: If Russia   
   > started in Ukraine, why isn’t it still part of Russia? It is a   
   > territory that has been fought over since time immemorial, claimed and   
   > counterclaimed by invaders for millennia. Ukraine’s boundaries have   
   > sometimes been determined by Ukrainians. Mostly, however, it has been   
   > given its shape by those who fought each other over it. For a   
   > Ukrainian, reading the history of the region provokes the question: Do   
   > we belong to ourselves, or to some other world power?   
   >   
   > What happened to Ukraine next was uncounted generations of pain, as   
   > the once-great Viking nation fell into bondage under wave upon wave of   
   > aggressors.   
   >   
   >   
   > Brian, I'm with Ukraine.  The Russians are a hob gob of mixed races &   
   > countries such as Buryatia, Dagestan, Siberia and so on and so on,   
   > parts of which were taken from China (Vladivostok, for instance).   
   >   
   > Russia was born in Kyiv.  Simple as that.  Now they want to kill the   
   > parent.   
   >   
   > You need lessons in history & logic.  You lack tremendously in both   
   > yet pontificate about stuff you know nothing, or next to nothing,   
   > about.  Get off your fucking tin box mate.   
      
   ### - as usual you've got it all wrong bud, about moi that is & history   
   too heh, coz am purely neutral in these matters and observing humanity   
   only as a whole... you, otoh, are "with ukraine" and this accounts for   
   your at times rather irritating flag-waving posturing + total bias in   
   every debate that quite obviously prevents you from seeing/entertaining   
   the bigger/wider picture that peeps like myself are far more interested   
   in...   
      
   i.e., all i see/observe from that pov, is humanity 'again'   
   struggling/fighting with itself over a stupid bunch of ideas that exist   
   only in people's heads (in this instance: the west's relentless goal   
   towards global domination + screw anyone that gets in their way etc etc...)   
      
   fyi: regardless of their ancient past heh, ukraine was getting along fine   
   with russia for a very long time before and after the collapse of the old   
   soviet union, the coup in 2013/2014 that put plonkershenko into power   
   there being where 'all' the current troubles began... the previous leader   
   there wasn't anti-russian but the new guy was totally the opposite, to the   
   point of even 'banning' the russian language in ukraine! (30% of which is   
   russian-speaking) and then shelling the southern regions in some kinda   
   attempt at the ethnic cleansing of several million russian speaking   
   people, 14,000 of which were killed in the process...   
      
   the new bosses in ukraine were far-right wing (azov connections to the   
   waffen-ss during ww2 for example) and as such totally anti-russian, a coup   
   that suited the west perfectly and which was arguably even orchestrated by   
   them! (the west deliberately backing the coup 'because' they were   
   anti-russian, get it?? the argument at the time being that of how could   
   the west even be backing such a bunch of obviously right-wing nazi thugs!?   
   but which was all conveniently swept under the carpet)   
      
   iow: things were fine between russia & ukraine for YEARS until THIS lot   
   took over...   
      
   and now we're on the very brink of ww3 because THAT'S the way america has   
   engineered it!   
      
   i.e., ONLY america can STOP all this NOW...   
      
   only they AIN'T gonna!!! they's instead pouring heavier & heavier arms   
   'into' ukraine while gee-ing everyone else up to: 'get-ready' for action!   
      
   got it???   
      
   (and now you're finally up to speed about what's actually goin' down ffs   
   stop falling behind all the time heh, this is difficult enough as it is   
   without you throwing dumbass tantrums every fuckin' 5 minutes over what is   
   actually just your own biased/bad thoughts which you then 'project' onto   
   others...)   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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