From: slider@anashram.com   
      
   On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 01:25:33 -0000, o'Mahoney    
   wrote:   
      
   > On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 20:23:01 -0000, slider    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Fri, 13 Jan 2023 02:12:46 -0000, o'Mahoney   
   >>    
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> Brian, m'boy, I like Rishi Sunak, he's sending Challenger tanks to   
   >>> Ukraine.  Poland is sending Leopards as well.   
   >>>   
   >>> Bit of a game changer, that.  Not that Ukraine needs them, it's doing   
   >>> fine on its own :)   
   >>   
   >> ### - tanks on their own wont do much, so it's only a game changer in   
   >> the   
   >> sense that it marks yet another escalation/upshift of increasingly   
   >> heavy/offensive weapons supplied to ukraine...   
   >   
   > That's nonsense.  Leopard 2 tanks are the best in the world,   
   > completely outclassing whatever the Russians can bring to the game,   
   > and there are thousands of them scattered through Europe.  When these   
   > are unleashed, and they will be, the Russians will lose even more   
   > ground.  Russia is on the back foot, it has lost immense amounts of   
   > territory & only holds a few cities & Crimea.  The tanks will be a   
   > game changer.  You are, again, wrong.   
   >   
   > Europe realizes Putin will not stop at Ukraine if he wins therefore   
   > supplies of heavy equipment are increasing all the time.  Germany's   
   > stupid incompetent Defence Minister just resigned - put your pointy   
   > cap on, why do you think & what will that matter?  C'mon now, think   
   > hard :)   
   >   
   > Around 1250 Abrams & Bradleys have just arrived in Poland.  Where do   
   > you think they're going.   
   >   
   > Every city in the US, Europe & elsewhere in the West is targeted by   
   > thermonuclear warheads from Russia.  Now is the perfect time to use a   
   > fierce proxy - Ukraine - with Western high tech weapons - Abrams,   
   > Bradleys, Patriots, ATCMs, more HIMARS, GPS guided penetrators,   
   > cruises, Apaches etc - to beat the criminal bastards without resort to   
   > NUCDETs.  And, Brian, that is precisely what is happening.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> thus the war is still slowly getting worse/escalating by degrees and we   
   >> don't know if/when a tipping point will be reached or what that tipping   
   >> point will be...   
   >   
   > What fucking tipping point?  You've been bleating about that every   
   > since you bet me about 4 years ago that Iran would invade the ME &   
   > attack Israel within 6 months ($50, you fucking welcher).   
   >   
   > You're so full of shit sometimes it must backup to your molars.   
   > Therer's no tipping point & when you use that term, you don't   
   > elaborate, you don't DEFINE - you just toss words around like confetti   
   > in a random, meaningless way, hoping some will hit some sort of   
   > undefined target.   
   >   
   > Answer this - WHAT tipping point?  Define it.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> iow, nada's changed: a clash of the titans (nato Vs. russia) is still on   
   >> the cards, tanks just bringing it all one step closer.   
   >   
   > It's already NATO weapons -v- Russian trash weapons.  You talking   
   > about a direct clash?  Is that what you mean?  Why not say it?  Why   
   > all these allusions, metaphors, subtleties etc?  Just say - NATO will   
   > attack Russia, or Russsia will attack NATO.  Say what you fucking   
   > mean, yeah?   
   >   
   > If that's what you mean, it will not happen.  It hasn't happened since   
   > 1949 when NATO was founded, that's 74 fucking years ago - why should   
   > it happen now?  Russia provided weapons to Vietnam & Korea, it never   
   > happened then.  The US provided weapons to Afgahnistan, it never   
   > happened then.  It will NOT happen, Putin is not suicidal nor is   
   > Europe or the US.   
   >   
   > Tell me why you think it will happen, use reason & logic, make your   
   > mind WORK.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> (sounds/seems like you're looking forward to it now huh + trust you to   
   >> go   
   >> the wrong way heh)   
   >   
   > I have no idea what you're talking about.   
      
   ### - am saying that, from how you speak/enthuse, it 'seems' like you're   
   actually 'looking forward' to the coming conflict now??   
      
   personally, am the opposite, i DON'T want it to happen coz it likely leads   
   to ww3, just like the cuban missile crisis that time! (which apparently   
   all came down to some russian submarine captain refusing to launch his   
   nuke!? that it came THAT close to disaster!!! so DON'T say it ain't EVER   
   gonna happen coz it very nearly fuckin' DID already!)   
      
   that while you're 'cheering' the arrival of even 'heavier' offensive   
   weapons to ukraine, you're perhaps not really thinking of the end result   
   of such a concerted attack upon what has now been declared (by russia) as   
   being russian territory??   
      
   they's gonna defend it with everything they fuckin' gots ya dope!   
      
   they's already talking about it on uk tv... about the coming 'decisive'   
   battle with russia once ukraine's been armed enough!? the tanks themselves   
   not being the game-changer so much as the political situation that   
   prevails AFTER the decisive battle (involving tanks) that'll put ukraine   
   in some kinda stronger position to negotiate...   
      
   iow: some big shit is appearing on the horizon! heavy shit that's gonna   
   decide the outcome of this war one way or another! (and it has to be soon,   
   this year! because a prolonged war is disastrous for the west's economy,   
   everyone assuming russia will just fuck off and go away?? riiiiiiight....)   
      
   history says russia backed down from the cuban missile crisis, but then   
   the battle wasn't in their own back yard, whereas this time it is??   
      
   they WONT back down iow... and THAT means a... WAR! - because ukraine   
   can't DO this on their OWN!   
      
   and from the looks of things they's ALL getting ready for it! both nato   
   AND russia!   
      
   the chances of it all remaining 'conventional' shrinking by the day...   
      
   the 'risk' right now, today, as the tension builds... being that of one   
   side or the other (i.e., russia 'or' the west) preempting the other in a   
   nuclear exchange because THAT'S what'll ultimately decide this issue when   
   nuclear nations are involved/forced into a corner...   
      
   (my personal money's on ukraine getting up in russia's face in some kinda   
   big public frontline/border battle, russia blasting the shit outta them   
   (as they've done every single time until now etc) the west/nato then   
   coming massively to their aid while russia's distracted, and nuking 'em   
   (and prolly china too) with everything they've damn well gots!!!)   
      
   europe & russia perforce will be gone, as well as many other eastern   
   nations too, likely including oz too, whereas america hopes to survive   
   more or less intact after only losing a few cities etc...   
      
   nice plan huh.   
      
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