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   From: slider@anashram.com   
      
   On 27/02/2023 06:39, Venus as a Boy wrote:   
   >   
   > When you are eating a cake you are defined as having schizophrenia by   
   > neuroscientists, because a not necessaraly excessive output of dopamine   
   > signalises a schizophrenic mind and dopamine gets released in higher   
   > amounts than normal when you are eating a cake!   
      
   ### - imho some of these 'doctors' should be forced to take a dose of   
   their own damn medicine heh...  medicine that does nada except damp-down   
   the over-emotional & mental reactions of their patient, who is obviously   
   having an intensely frightening experience and can't cope...   
      
   iow, it's a 'fear' reaction to unusual perceptions, and that person then   
   entering into a 'fight or flight' mode, that has them releasing all   
   kinds of chemicals into their system, NOT the other way around!   
      
   or the next thing they'll be saying is that cake 'causes'   
   schizophrenia??? :)))   
      
   not really understanding exactly what schizophrenia is, or why it   
   happens, all these doctors can thus do is to treat a person's   
   emotional/mental side-effects... ohhh, you've got too juch dopamine, i   
   see, well this drug we've got blocks it and then you will calm down, the   
   hallucinations will still be there but you'll stop freaking out etc etc,   
   blah blah blah...   
      
   i.e., 'anyone' who has an 'intense' experience (even eating some lovely   
   cake) will perforce have higher dopamine levels for a while afterwards,   
   ditto if they jump out of a plane and parachute down it's their own   
   body's automatic reaction, dopamine under normal circumstances working   
   with the pleasure/pain pathways and cake is full of lovely calories so   
   the body recognises this and signals for more by releasing dopamine and   
   the person gets an emotional reward, a system that also feeds back in   
   reverse to produce revulsion should you accidententally find yourself   
   eating a turd haha - YUK! - the body clearly letting you know it doesn't   
   want any more of THAT shit! lol :)))   
      
   that there must have been a time in our species' ancient history when we   
   completely depended on this feedback system just in order to survive, a   
   system which still remains intact within us today albeit now heavly   
   build upon/modified since to relate to more complex/subtle situations &   
   things... (wow i gots a new CD! dopamine flushhhh... feels cool)   
      
   and that accordingly, probably the 'first' thing these doctors should   
   offer their new schizophrenic patients is some form of 'cognitive   
   therapy' to alter their emotional/mental 'over-reactions' to having some   
   hallucinations... it being impossible to reason with someone who is   
   literally climbing the walls in sheer terror...   
      
   e.g., william burroughs (an american witer from the 50's beat   
   generation) who was a heroin junky nearly all his adult life (and lived   
   into his 80's) noted in his book 'Junky' that he had never ever met a   
   schizophrenic junky? and as such thought that heroin might indeed be a   
   cure 'for' schizophrenia...   
      
   the person will probably still have hallucinations etc, but they just   
   wont give a shit about it anymore lol, will likely even enjoy the   
   experience because heroin completely detaches a person from their   
   emotions etc, completely! this being the 'real' reason why people like   
   heroin because it instantly solves all their emotional/mental problems   
   allowing them to cope in a very unusual way by entering into a   
   completely 'desire-less' state of awareness! (instant nivana!)   
      
   the 'point' being, that a schizophrenic episode is kinda like taking a   
   large dose of magic mushrooms or lsd: for a while one sees, thinks &   
   feels way 'beyond' the usual range of perception! and ALL one can really   
   DO under such circumstances is to wait it out until it wears-off (the   
   idea behind taking mushrooms being to actually enjoy the experience   
   while it lasts...)   
      
   ditto then with any similar event, including schizophrenia...   
      
   that all the person has to DO is to calmly wait it out until it goes   
   away again, the calmer/more detached the person is about it is probably   
   the faster they will return to normal, getting into fight/flight mode   
   having the opposite effect, maybe even damaging/scarring them so best   
   avoided...   
      
   what schizophrenia actually 'is' is, i think, another subject altogether   
   and NOT what doctors have turned it all into...   
      
   the real question being: what potential 'use' has schizophrenia got in   
   the hands of someone who can not only 'accept' their condition, but who   
   can also learn to handle it as one expertly handles 'any' altered state   
   of awareness, knowing that it's only a temporary state that will soon   
   wear off...   
      
   thus in one sense it is tripping (whatever tripping actually is) without   
   the use of any drugs...   
      
   a natural high, that no one currently understands/accepts or knows what   
   to do with :)   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)