XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia, alt.bu   
   dha.short.fat.guy   
   XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism   
   From: being@apolka.sign   
      
   % wrote:   
      
   >everyone can be all or part of the total   
      
   Moving the goal-posts, everyone   
   can do anything. Everyone is affected   
   by everything and when an example shows   
   how not everyone can nor does, then an other   
   example is given to suggest everyone would be if ...   
      
   Mirrors may affect everyone.   
   Then again, some are unable to see, to know.   
   They can't see and don't know their own reflection.   
      
   Logically speaking, presumptions, axioms and such   
   allow for a conclusion to be valid without being sound.   
   Logical fallacies are known by logicians to include a few.   
      
   Epistemologically speaking, to know, without doubt,   
   everyone is or would be affected by a substance, a noun,   
   a thing, falls into a category of not being able to be.   
      
   Lots of people might insist, nouns exist.   
   Their definition of what existence is may vary.   
      
   A state attained or obtained by some people   
   may be called mystical, ecstatic, religious, etc.   
      
   Not everyone who takes mushrooms has a mystical   
   or religious type of experience nor becomes a sage.   
      
   That was a point being made, until, far from being   
   a sage, a statement was made about effects   
   that, ahem, everyone will experience.   
      
   Even in a set and setting predisposed to afford   
   such a type of experience, not all people will.   
   Some might have a horrible experience.   
      
   When a so-called, individual, is already at   
   an ecstatic state, to then presume a substance,   
   a mushroom or an acid, will have an effect   
   can be done, even though it does not.   
      
   Neem Karori Baba was reported to have been   
   unaffected by a substance. To know what it does   
   does not entail being affected by it.   
      
   When some body is already moving at light speed,   
   that body is immediately where it is seen to be going   
   by viewers who view it as going some where.   
      
   Statements were made about other people,   
   e.g. Tolle, Chopra. To miss a point is possible.   
   People who were diagnosed as being ill.   
      
   Whether a necessary predisposition exists   
   in order to arrive at a place of no place   
   might place a body in the physical.   
      
   Some people might insist they are bodies.   
   Other people may say they have bodies.   
      
   What is called, mental illness, varies   
   as it is defined and redefined by cultures.   
      
   With a form of ego-loss, some non-dualists may speak,   
   knowing full well how such talk doesn't go to show   
   others who think, feel and/or know, they are.   
      
   Once upon a time, an individual arrived at a point   
   where there was no individuality and he appeared   
   to be as it were God. Paranormal activities were a   
   common enough manifestation of his, siddhis.   
      
   Ram Dass was impressed. His guru was God   
   as far as he was concerned at the time. Baba   
   had the answers Richard was looking for.   
      
   When he was ready, his guru appeared.   
   The guru knew where he was the night before,   
   thinking about his mother who had died, etc.   
      
   He was above being affected by mushrooms, acid   
   and other substances known to have an effect   
   on most mortal men and women.   
      
   Within a philosophy called Daojia, a parent   
   as it were of Zen, a phenomenon called   
   immortality may occur. Transcending,   
   as if in a butterfly dreaming it was   
   an other more than Zhuangzi.   
      
   When an individual is no longer an individual,   
   to be affected by what effects a substance has   
   might be subjected to words. Ore knots.   
      
   - thanks! Cheers!   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)