XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia, alt.bu   
   dha.short.fat.guy   
   XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism   
   From: slider@anashram.com   
      
   On Sun, 11 Aug 2024 18:00:07 +0100, someone  wrote:   
      
      
   > Rhetoric and hyperbole can be fun.   
      
   ### - it's too late for any of that now, you've already been exposed as   
   wearing a mask to hide behind, which isn't really the problem so much as   
   you actually 'believing' in that mask and thinking that mask is the real   
   you, it's not though... it's just a mask   
      
      
   >   
   > In terms of topics, newsgroups usually have them.   
   > No idea what group you are cross-posting from.   
   >   
   > Do you have or have you had depression, schizophrenia   
   > or an interest in Buddhism, Taoism or Castaneda?   
      
   ### - am posting from the castaneda group so we know quite a bit about   
   sorcery here, although i don't see what that's got to do with anything,   
   none of that matters enough to be an issue, even mental illness so-called   
   isn't an issue ultimately, and we'd have gotten to that had you instead   
   followed the thread/line of thought through...   
      
   e.g., and to cut to the chase: i've been teaching people to lucid dream   
   for the last 8 or 9 years, a particular + new type of dreaming called   
   WILDs or waking dreams, which involves actually dreaming while one is   
   still fully wide awake (waking dreams!) something which involves   
   deliberately opening the area of perception that so-called schizophrenics   
   have lost control of opening/closing altogether... iow: for them that door   
   opens/closes on them whenever IT wants instead of them opening/closing it   
   themselves whenever THEY want...   
      
   it being my contention that, when it comes to WILDing and   
   exploring/probing those altered states of waking awareness, schizophrenics   
   could well turn out to be the ultimate connoisseurs of it, total masters   
   in fact because whether they realise it or not, having that door already   
   wide open can actually be a 'gift' in terms of facility and ease in   
   reaching it, whereas so called normal people often have to struggle quite   
   a bit to get that door open initially, after which they are now   
   technically schizophrenics too albeit in complete control of it, the term   
   'schizophrenic' referring more to the fact that a person is 'not' in   
   control of it but are subject to it, and as such it's an intrusion into   
   their life they could well do without because they didn't ask for it and   
   it just screws everything up...   
      
   my 'point' being (which we have gotten to eventually) is that there 'are'   
   instances in which so-called mental illness (e.g., schizophrenia) means   
   that person is actually closer by default to an altered state on a daily   
   basis than the average man in the street is, thus 'some' of what the OP   
   was saying/suggesting could well be correct, albeit in that particular   
   instance he couched in semi-religious terms (he mentioned christians and   
   stuff as being the context)   
      
   cut through all that 'narrative, however, and underneath it all is the   
   clear suggestion that mental illness might not be quite what (or all) it's   
   currently defined as being, there's obviously more to it than just   
   dismissing the whole thing because that's what doctors say to do... and   
   because everything's an aberration to them that doesn't conform itself to   
   being 'normal' - that's their gauge for everything! - Normal/not-normal:   
   they've made a whole science out of it ffs lol, and they STILL don't   
   understand it! :)   
      
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