XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia, alt.bu   
   dha.short.fat.guy   
   XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism   
   From: being@apolka.sign   
      
   slider wrote:   
   > one wrote:   
   >   
   >> Sounds to me like stereotyping straw people.   
   >> A story told similar to the well-frog and sea-turtle.   
   >> One is reminded, at times, how happy the frog was   
   >> and how the turtle was unable to see what was   
   >> in the well about which the frog was happy.   
   >   
   >### - (smile) if the turtle in that story had never appeared then the   
   >question about the frog being happy or not wouldn't have ever arisen, that   
   >life (that perception of life) was all that frog ever knew and was   
   >familiar with and so he lived as best he could within the confines of the   
   >well which was his home, he didn't even think to question it, after all it   
   >was all he'd ever known...   
      
   Froggy was the supreme being of the well.   
      
   >the turtle turning-up on the scene alters the picture, however, after   
   >roaming around in the larger world outside he meets a happy frog stuck   
   >down a well,   
      
   If, in your telling of the tale, the frog is stuck   
   it strikes me as a kind of a bias of a sort.   
      
   > a lovely average frog who isn't even complaining about his   
   >situation and has made a life for himself down there because there isn't   
   >any other choice for him...   
      
   It is your story to tell.   
      
   In another tale, at the beginning of the chapter,   
   the Lord of the River meets the God of the North Sea.   
      
   To bring choice or no-choice in to a telling may tell   
   how a story teller tells a story.   
      
   The frog might have been able to choose   
   to leap out of the well and explore a realm   
   yet never go as far as a notion.   
      
   >that turtle, however, has perhaps seen and met other average frogs living   
   >in the wider world above, where it's obvious to anyone there that this is   
   >where all frogs belong, their natural environment, and like everything   
   >else they are part of the wider world, it's their natural home... so when   
   >he happens upon a frog whose been living down a well for several   
   >generations he considers that to be a limited existence for a frog who   
   >'should' be jumping around in the light and not stuck down some hole in   
   >the ground...   
      
   You seem to be saying there is a sticking point.   
      
   >and being a very kind turtle he takes pity on the poor frog, knowing from   
   >past experience that there's a much bigger/wider world that all frogs are   
   >part of...   
   >   
   >but hey, maybe that frog is a suspicious and arrogant little frog,   
   >conceited in his beliefs, or just scared that the turtle maybe wants to   
   >eat him, or steal his home or whatever, the turtle, however, sees only a   
   >frog stuck in a hole and being forced to live a limited perception of   
   >life...   
      
   Wow.   
      
   >and, after talking to that frog and getting no response (except maybe rude   
   >ones) he sadly turns away thinking that maybe that little frog just wasn't   
   >ready to hear his message of freedom this time, the best he was able to do   
   >for him being to at least let that poor frog know that 'maybe' there's a   
   >much better/bigger world outside of his current home where he actually &   
   >naturally belongs, but doesn't realise it...   
   >   
   >yet ;)   
      
   Sounds like an evangelism failure.   
      
   - thanks! Cheers!   
      
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