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   dha.short.fat.guy   
   XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism   
   From: being@apolka.sign   
      
   slider wrote:   
      
   >### - to be involved/not-involved is only an illusion, the perceptual   
   >result of a divided mind...   
      
   It's more of an experience for me.   
      
   All of reality can be called a simulation, an illusion,   
   created by neurons in a brain inside a cranium. Yet   
   to say such a saying could be called an illusion or a   
   result of a divided mind.   
      
   >we have no actual choice in the matter because we didn't buy tickets to   
   >come here, so 'everything' in the world/universe IS involved by dint of it   
   >just being here, whether it chooses to accept it or not, denies it or not,   
   >that's all just words/narrative in his head...   
      
   Some people say there is no free-will, no choice.   
      
   Some say there is, obviously, and the pov of there being   
   no free-will is a perspective that emerges which viewing   
   so-called things in a so-called world/universe at a level.   
      
   Some say reality is a Great Dream Drama and   
   when awakening a view can be how both choice   
   and no choice are sides of a coin of a realm.   
      
   >there is no choice: if you're IN the world then one IS automatically part   
   >of it whatever IT is, the universe is our home, our natural environment,   
   >it has created us (and everything else) as an expression of itself that we   
   >mere mortals have yet to realise, may never be 'able' to realise fully :)   
      
   Sounds as if the presumptions involve beings, e.g. you,   
   and a world. It appears similar to a physicalist/materialist view.   
      
   To presume a noun-thing, the Universe, exists, is possible.   
      
   To think, it, created, other so-called, things in particulars   
   can be to think a thought in a train or stream of thoughts.   
      
   Reminds one of the Chuang-tzu, Chapter 3.   
      
   https://terebess.hu/english/chuangtzu.html#3   
      
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