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   dha.short.fat.guy   
   XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism   
   From: being@apolka.sign   
      
   slider wrote:   
   > one wrote:   
   >> slider wrote:   
   >>> one wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>> Sounds like an evangelism failure.   
   >>>   
   >>> ### - well that's exactly what the frog said too lol, and closed the   
   >>> door?   
   >>   
   >> Not in the tale I've read.   
   >   
   >### - i know, i know... i changed the story to put a different spin on it   
   >so you could 'see' what i was saying/suggesting... and so now there are 2   
   >version of the frog-story and neither is correct because that's all just   
   >words and words are not the measure of truth, they only have the meanings   
   >we give them :)   
      
   Okay. Sounds like sounds are noises   
   being made in a brain train of thought.   
      
   Reminds one of nine whirls in a stream   
   of consciousness hinted at when Lieh Tzu   
   brought a shaman to his guru, Hu Tzu.   
      
   >> A transformative experience, at the ashram.   
   >>   
   >> Returning from the mountain, taking a form   
   >> of bliss back to a city, trying to tell so-called   
   >> others who don't care and have, important   
   >> matters that have captivated their attention,   
   >> an evangelist might fail and it may suggest   
   >> the experience was not complete and total.   
   >   
   >### - smile, buddha was famous for hardly ever speaking, there were even   
   >riots at one ashram where he was asked to give a speech to all the other   
   >holy men who'd come to this important mela/celebration, a celebration that   
   >only happens every 33 years, everyone gave great speeches and were   
   >applauded and when it was his turn buddha got up on the stage and the   
   >crowd fell silent, buddha was very famous by then and everyone wanted to   
   >hear what he going to say, well he looked at the crowd for 15 minutes   
   >saying nothing and then got down again haha, everyone went crazy lol...   
   >his 'silent' speech saying more (and traveling farther) than all the other   
   >holymen speakers before him haha (true story btw)   
      
   I've not heard of that however   
   there was a tale about a flower which   
   Siddhartha held up without saying a word.   
      
   Supposedly Ananda smiled.   
      
   >iow: in many instances just the silent 'vibe' alone of an enlightened   
   >person is enough to affect everyone around them, people begin to get high   
   >just from their presence alone...   
      
   Reminds me of Gurdjieff, except different.   
      
   >and yet words are important sometimes, if only to catch people's attention   
   >;)   
      
   Another time was when, in a Zen garden, a monk   
   who'd been studying there for years and years   
   tending to the rocks and sand seeing it was a   
   huge sand tray kind of a rock garden when   
   suddenly a little rock went flying and he   
   had an immediate awakening.   
      
   - funny! Thanks! Cheers!   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)