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   From: slider@anashram.com   
      
   On Thu, 05 Dec 2024 15:01:36 -0000, Venus as a boy   
    wrote:   
      
   > Am 05.12.2024 um 11:54 schrieb Venus as a boy:   
   >> I was always fascinated by Biathlon athlets when they after a long   
   >> cross-country skiing distance came to the shooting ranges and before   
   >> shooting the targets absolutely slowing their breath and pulse in a few   
   >> seconds down to precisly shoot the targets.   
   >> Compared to expanded or as i say buzzing consciousness where your mind   
   >> consciousness (like a psydoc said sz is like a brain marathon) or your   
   >> heart consciousness or whatever consciousness center (according to   
   >> spiritual religious philosophy most humans have multiple consciousness   
   >> centers) is in an uproar and like i experienced e.g. today you can with   
   >> breathing techniques or even meditation (not kundalini which is the   
   >> opposit) calm your conscious center heart, mind etc... down.   
   >   
   > The madman, if in the hands of enlightened people, can achieve   
   > enlightenment faster than your so-called sane people. In the East there   
   > has been a longstanding tradition… in this century one man revived it   
   > again – his name was Meher Baba. He went all over India seeking and   
   > searching for mad people. In all the madhouses, anywhere that he heard   
   > there was a madman, he would go. He traveled all over India his whole   
   > life, searching for mad people.   
   >   
   > His disciples asked him, “Why are you wasting your time with mad people   
   > when sane people are available to work upon, and they want your time?”   
   >   
   > Meher Baba said, “You don’t understand. To bring a sane person out of   
   > his sanity is very difficult. But to bring out a madman is very easy   
   > because in a way he is already out, but from the back door. He has   
   > tasted something of the outside; we have only to show him the right door   
   > and say, “Please don’t go out from the wrong door, go from the right   
   > door. Being out is perfectly right, but choose the right door.” And   
   > Meher Baba turned many mad people into enlightened people.   
   >   
   > It is a strange world. Here, really great things are never rewarded.   
   > Nobody has bothered about Meher Baba. Mother Teresa will get a Nobel   
   > prize because she looks after poor orphan children, and nobody thought   
   > of giving a Nobel prize to Meher Baba who really did a miraculous job –   
   > and he was the only man, after centuries.   
   >   
   > Osho, From Personality to Individuality, Ch 7, Q 1   
      
   ### - that's actually very interesting information, and is a subject i   
   tried to debate previously with someone here called 'One' who didn't seem   
   to want to accept the possibility that so-called 'Mad' people might   
   automatically be closer to an enlightened state than average people are   
   because average people have farther to travel...   
      
   can't say i like osho all that much as am adverse to 'cults' of any   
   description - personality cults or otherwise - nevertheless i do like the   
   way he puts it re 'mad' people being already halfway out and/or have   
   gotten out by a back door; that 'out' is where you've got to get to (which   
   also implies that being an 'outsider' IS to be enlightened thang; to have   
   reached an enlightened state)   
      
   the only condition/requirement being that it shouldn't be deranged; thus   
   to basically go back and exit through the correct door...   
      
   something Meher Baba apparently specialised in practicing, cool :)   
      
   --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)