From: slider@anashram.com   
      
   ### - jeesus! have you SEEN what they're doing in europe now??   
      
   have just been watching french president ma-crone (deliberate misspelling   
   heh) giving his news conference wherein he let it all slip what they've   
   been planning behind the scenes...   
      
   this incredibly being to agree to openly rip-off the 'income' (the   
   interest) created from the 230 billion seized russian euros, assets frozen   
   in various russian accounts which they they can't legally keep (something   
   they discussed) but have agreed is ok to keep the 230 million euros   
   'interest' it's generated, and donate it to ukraine! lol   
      
   add to this the agreement that europe is uniting in an unprecedented armed   
   force designed to pressure russia into basically backing down on virtually   
   everything they've been asking for, and for 'russia' to declare peace...   
   and we're NOT asking OR negotiating!   
      
   it all depending on whether 'america' is prepared to back europe up   
   if/when push comes to shove!   
      
   iow: they're actively planning for trumpy not being there is the long   
   term, and as such are gonna be putting pressure on 'america' to deal with   
   russia if/when they refuse to ceasefire, it all hanging on america coz   
   europe can't possibly deal with russia on their own!   
      
   IOW... we're actively planning for war with russia here in europe come   
   what may! that it's ALL russia's fault and so RUSSIA has to be the one to   
   back off from everything they've currently achieved and allow EUROPE (iow   
   nato) to march into ukraine armed to the teeth to stop russia ever coming   
   back again??? duh!   
      
   this being the complete 'reverse' of what russia's asking for and is   
   pretty obvious then that they're never gonna accept it, and THIS means   
   europe's gonna get tough!   
      
   the question NOW being is america gonna back us up or not!   
      
   and they're NOT planning for america to say no!!!   
      
   meanwhile, russia's watching all this going down, the question there being   
   just how FAR will they let it go before doing something about it, how big   
   a build-up of european forces arrayed against them are they gonna tolerate   
   before doing something to head it off, to preempt such an attack? are they   
   gonna wait till everything's all in-place for europe to wage a successful   
   war? at what 'point' will it all be a step too-far?   
      
   coz we're completely contradicting trumps ideas for peace otherwise, we're   
   actively opposing and undermining it!! probably on the basis that he's   
   only gonna be there for another 3 years so let's put america in a position   
   where they'll HAVE to respond when war starts here!   
      
   war in europe in 5 years?? imho we'll be lucky if it ever goes that long,   
   coz as soon as it starts looking like a force that could be dangerous,   
   russia will be forced to act!   
      
   and we've no IDEA what that might mean!   
      
   (methinks they've already decided that it can't possibly continue and that   
   no amount of money is ever gonna fix it, that russia's got us in a lock we   
   can't get out of, that it's killing us and that we have to do something in   
   one last burst of activity, a desperate do or die scenario that justifies   
   just about ANY action, their short-sightedness not allowing them to see   
   that maybe russia feels exactly the same!)   
      
   so is that a clock i here ticking now?   
      
   sure sounds like it!   
      
   (they've settled for war!)   
      
   --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05   
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