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   "Tom"  wrote in message   
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   On Jun 19, 12:03 am, "bassos"  wrote:   
   > "Tom"  wrote in message   
   > **   
   > From what I've been able to piece together, they'll tell you that they   
   > hear voices if they think you'll pay attention to them for it.   
   > **   
   >   
   > That is, if there are no actual real mps cases.   
      
   **   
   Depends on what one means by "actual real mpd cases".   
   **   
      
   People who act as differing people without them separate people knowing   
   about it.   
   And yes, getting them parts to talk to each other is indeed useful.   
      
   **   
   There are many forms of dissociation.  People can produce imaginary   
   characters and treat them as if they were real, even act very   
   convincingly like those characters.   
   **   
      
   Like dreams.   
      
   **   
   So how do you tell if they are "actual real" characters or not?   
   **   
      
   We have no means to do so, that is what makes it so scary.   
      
   **   
   The whole thing is absurd.  It was a brief fad among therapy junkies for a   
   while but nobody except a few   
   fringe therapists still treats it as anything but a culture-bound   
   psychodrama.   
   **   
      
   So you never been overrun by the spirit ?   
   I mean in a well protected familiar ritual setting perhaps, but still.   
      
   The brain still is quite malleable in the very early infancy, doing lots of   
   pruning and such.   
   A ptsd so early might indeed very well create a different way of dealing   
   with reality than most people develop.   
      
   > > If there would be interaction between the personalities, it would not be   
   > > mps, but more schyzophrenia.   
   >   
   > **   
   > The facilitation of interaction between dissociated "personalities" is   
   > generally the process by which therapists attempt to alleviate the   
   > problem of "MPD". It does not produce schizophrenia.   
   > **   
   >   
   > Disorder, syndrom, same difference ;)   
      
   **   
   I'm not talking about labels but about outcomes.   
   **   
      
   I was too, just different ones.   
   You snipped it, you bad boy.   
      
   **   
   Interaction between dissociated characters in your head is not   
   schizophrenia.  Whether you   
   call it a "syndrome" or a "disorder" makes no difference whatsover.   
   **   
      
   Yeah, but you are still going backwards instead of forward.   
      
   Symptoms first, fitting some explanation to it later.   
      
   And it definately does matter what label people use to describe what is   
   going on.   
   A syndrom is a collection of events.   
   A disorder is a conclusion claiming you are broken.   
      
   Another such silly term : Patient.   
   (no not the being comfortable while waiting, but the classification of   
   someone as dependant on you, the doctor.)   
      
   All so selfdestructive.   
      
   Positive attitude and terms fitting such is just better.   
      
   Train that neural net that is your brain.   
   Lest that organ that is your brain trains you.   
      
   > But schyzophrenia does produce actual perceived voices.   
   >   
   > So if you actually are hearing voices, chances for schizo are higher than   
   > for mps.   
      
   **   
   The hearing of voices not produced by external means can come from a   
   variety of neurological processes, not only schizophrenia.   
   **   
      
   So ?   
   Yes hallucinations have loads of sources.   
   Say drugs or simple fatigue, or thirst, whatever.   
      
   That still leaves schizo above mpd as far as possible 'disorders' go.   
      
   **   
   One need not create the false dilemma that it must be either 'mpd" or   
   schizophrenia.   
   **   
      
   Higher chances became a dichotomy when ?   
      
   > You know better than to argue with me using half-remembered anecdotes   
   > as your evidence.   
   > **   
   >   
   > Only half remembering the amount of personalities she actually displayed.   
   > It was more than 3, but the movie about her was called the 3 faces of eve.   
      
   **   
   As I said, you know better than to argue with me using half-remembered   
   anecdotes.   
   **   
      
   And apparantly you have grown to know better than to argue with me at all.   
      
   > Evidence for actual mps in her case was quite convincing.   
      
   I linked to her wiki page, feel free to cast doubt upon it.   
      
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