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   Nick Argall to Graham Jones   
   Re: Becoming Lucid and some consideratio   
   02 Sep 04 16:32:11   
   
   From: nick.argall@aplaceof.removedotcom.info.com   
      
   "Graham Jones"  wrote in message   
   news:Px76QrAhfGNBFwVC@visiv.co.uk...   
   > In article <41344913$0$1501$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, Nick Argall   
   >  writes   
   >   
   > >> Another problem, or complication anyway, is that people have dreams   
   > >> during non-REM sleep as well as REM sleep.   
   > >   
   > >Didn't know that.  Do you have any pointers to information about that?   
   > >   
   >   
   > In Susan Blackmore's Consciousness, she says that when awoken from REM   
   > sleep, 70-95% report vivid dreams, while during non-REM sleep, the   
   > figure is 5-10%, with 50% reporting some sort of mentation.   
   >   
   > Also note that sleepwalking and "night terrors" suffered by some   
   > children also both occur during non-REM sleep. It seems that sleep   
   > researchers have been ignoring non-REM sleep until quite recently, and a   
   > lot of earlier research is a bit suspect because if this.   
      
   Thanks :)   
      
   > >> Why not apply the same argument to the waking state? Why not just let   
   > >> the chemical and neurological processes in your brain run your life for   
   > >> you, instead of intervening and trying to gain conscious control?   
   > >   
   > >Fascinating question, this one.  Have you read _The Inner Game of Work_   
   by   
   > >Galway?   
   > >   
   >   
   > No, but my question reminds me of Zen, or Don Juan's "stopping the   
   > world" for example - based on reading, not experimenting myself.   
      
   Having practiced Zen for a while, I think the connection you draw is very   
   appropriate.   
      
   > On your ideas about habits and reprogramming, have you read Induction by   
   > Holland, Holyoak, Nisbett, Thagard?   
      
   No, haven't read that.  I'll file the title under medium-priority reading,   
   unless you'd like to suggest a reason to make it high priority?   
      
      
      
      
   Nick   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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