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   Graham Jones to drgynfly@txt-omitted.mv.com   
   Re: Travel in time   
   10 Nov 04 12:25:52   
   
   From: graham@visiv.co.uk   
      
   In article , lonely dragonfly   
    writes   
      
   [...]   
   >I can sometimes pretty heavily; one type of experience that's happened   
   >several times so far is that I'll be woken during rem sleep, but be tired   
   >enough that I'm still partially within the dream. The images continue for   
   >a good 20 to 30 seconds, but the action looks like it's taken 1 frame per   
   >3/4 second (and progessively more translucent) with the motion stripped   
   >out but sort-of implied like in the comic strips of some artists.   
   >   
      
   Interesting... but this thread is getting complicated, and I think   
   you're talking about something different from my mountain-climbing   
   experience, where the gaps were big (many minutes) and consisted of   
   'filler' like Laura was saying. I had the impression that time had gone   
   by, and that I had climbed a slope, but no detailed memory of it, and no   
   direct sense of movement.   
      
   The research Nick was referring to was done in laboratories, with lucid   
   dreamers who are able to signal via eye movements to the outside world   
   while dreaming, and comparing their perceived time within the dream to   
   clock time over short periods (eg 10 seconds). The 1:1 figure is not   
   accurate, not least because people's perception of time is not very good   
   in the normal waking state (how many seconds have passed since you   
   started reading this message?). But the results do seem fairly clear   
   that there is no obvious time-distortion going on in lucid dreams -   
   unlike for example with people who have taken cannabis.   
      
   As to your experience... during waking, we mostly see things in a series   
   of saccades ("snapshots") and motion is often implied rather than   
   directly observed. So it makes sense that dreams are often created the   
   same way. For example, if you are looking round a room in a dream, I   
   doubt your brain creates a model of the whole room, then lets you see   
   bits of it. More likely, it creates plausible snapshots just-in-time as   
   you look around. I think these snapshots would be several a second, more   
   frequent than one every 3/4 second anyway, but maybe you're seeing the   
   dream-creation mechanism beginning to break down. Like I said,   
   interesting.   
      
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