From: nick.argall@aplaceof.removedotcom.info.com   
      
   "Nelson"  wrote in message   
   news:n6b2q0laur2d3uuk7rh0qq181l3epqb2n5@4ax.com...   
   > On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:58:16 +1100, "Nick Argall"   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
      
   > Some say that you can go from lucid dreaming to out of   
   > body experiences. They seem to say you have to   
   > subconsciously prepare yourself so that you will go out   
   > of your body instead of customarily coming back to the   
   > normal waking state. Have you experimented with this?   
      
   No.  I've done shamanic journeying (aka astral travel), but that's not the   
   same as an OBE, since I don't perceive the physical world when I wander off,   
   but a dreamscape.  OBEs scare me, I don't plan to do them ever.   
      
   > I could see how that might be more instructive than   
   > extended lucid dreaming, which by comparison might just   
   > be extended fantasy. An entertainment.   
      
   The FAQ for alt.religion.shamanism has some information about this kind of   
   stuff.   
      
      
      
   Nick   
      
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