XPost: alt.out-of-body   
   From: john2162@verizon.net   
      
   Clave,   
      I was going to ask if that book you read by a "Pierce" was a one Joseph   
   Chilton Pierce and instead I went and checked it out myself   
   and found that it was.  Years ago I read another book by him called the   
   Crack in the Cosmic Egg, New constructs of mind and Reality.   
   That was also very good.  He is one of those brave souls that once again   
   herolds the strength and value of individual worth, meaning quest   
   and adventure.  He would like everyone to take a look inside at that greater   
   inner reality out of which we arise so as to better lay our blueprints out   
   as to what we build here individually and en masse.  But short of experience   
   of the intuition and with a sense of "play" and adventure one can not   
   understand the intuitional side of the self, the mind/soul as it were.   
   People with strict rigid lines of belief as to incarnate evil for instance,   
   they don't do too well in out of body states, they can not trust enough, it   
   is too threatening.   We all have a pretty good handle on the brain,well   
   sort of, lol, but none the less there is little support for the intuition   
   expecially in science and even in religion, unusually enough. For science   
   the intuition is far too subjective as it stresses objectivity and for the   
   church well they would just as rather men not be making any observations   
   that  pose questions that threaten the status quo which shores up their   
   power and influence. It would not due that men have a more direct line to   
   their origins as it might just put them out of a job. Heaven forbid.   
        Ultimately a trance is a trance is a trance, but if you are lucid in a   
   trance you will generally bring back with you more memory of the events   
   there it seems.  That is my standard.  If I have functioning of my critical   
   factors and I am able to question with the intent of gathering data, I am   
   lucid and I am I think, also very likely OBE.  In my experience the most   
   interesting and valuable OBE experiences were those in which I was able to   
   set things up in such a way that I was able to short circuit the descent   
   pattern in some regard, reach the transition point from here to there and   
   then accelarate through the window into the other side , my eyes opening   
   there , finding myself in my room and my body immobile on my back and then   
   sitting up out of coincidence with my form. After having gone through   
   sometimes unbelievable vibrational sensations in the process.   I think it   
   ment the most to me, because it seemed the most real with no loss of thread   
   from here to there. Although my real valuable psychic material, deeply   
   prophetic stuff, on a personal level or otherwise,  never came from such   
   states, they were always from simple dream states it seemed.   
      
      
   Sincerely,   
   Chilt   
      
   "clave_scri...@spl.at"  wrote in message   
   news:1135788740.205766.132770@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...   
   > great   
   >   
   > how do you convert a lucid dream to obe - is that the "falling   
   > backwards" bit?   
   >   
   > tell me more about your obes, how they happen, how you know it's obe   
   > and not a dream, etc., please?   
   >   
   > my 100% lucid dreams and lucid obes are few and far between, but i do   
   > often get names, and responses to questions and suggestions, then i try   
   > to google them too, and sometimes get interesting hits   
   >   
   > read any good books on the subject lately?  i just finished "the   
   > magical child" by pearce, and while not specifically about lucid   
   > dremaing or obes, they are mentioned, the book is more about the   
   > consciousness of being human at different age stages, and how play is   
   > key to everything really   
   >   
      
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